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That's an interesting observation, need some time to let it sink in. That is, if someone can point Scripture to me that Christ like the Father was uncreated and from all eternity. Headache issue.

Downplaying again ? Then YOU @Wrangler explain to her (and me) what it means to be born again, are you born again? When and how. In detail please. RJ, since you wowed my post, I would like to hear from him and check if he is not himself a pathological urinitarian evading questions.

The YOU answer her questions about being Born Again.

If that's true there was no reason for the Jews to stone Jesus.

That's sounds as a conspiracy, what's the evidence, which passages Jerome changed? And more important, what's the true NT translation according to you?

Yes, and it seems (the Lamb slain) God was willing to pay the price for that. Can you feel the love?

Sure Jesus (as human) was not omniscient, was not omnipotent as we read in - Filipp 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, Filipp 2:7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. Filipp 2:8...

I think you said it best. Rev 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. A bit of Plato - The Cycle of Opposites The first argument is based on the cyclical...

Wrong. Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. Col 1:17 And he...

You forget that the Father wanted Him to die, the Lamb slain. That was decided before God and the Son said - Gen 1:26 - Then God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Rev 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the...

John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. John 8:23 He said to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. As both texts states there is more than that, an existing Being one with the Father...

Exactly. And the angel was helping Mary, and our confusion... Luke 1:35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy— the Son of God. Luke 1:36 And behold, your relative...

Who then was Jesus BEFORE He descended from Heaven and became one of us? . Scripture says Jesus partook in creation with God the Father. . Scripture says the Word was God and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. The apostle John understood, why don't you? . Scripture says - I and the...

Welcome to the discussion. I am quoting Scripture GG posted today, it would be a great start She posted - ------------------- You want scripture re believing that Jesus is God? John 8:58 58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 10:30 30"I and...

Well, Jesus said so Himself - John 14:8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” John 14:9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’...

I am the son of my father, the natural way, not divine. Jesus is the Son of God, the supernatural way, how can He be not divine?

Amen. I say AMEN. Isn't that a bridge too far? I remember my days I had to deal with the phrase "Jesus is God" Give RJ some slack, she is most open minded person I met on the forum.

Personally after reading and participating in this massive thread I now prefer to say that Jesus is God the Son instead of Jesus is God. While both are true since God the Father and God the Son are ONE, the phrase Jesus is God might give the reader the wrong impression that Jesus is God the...

I called it progress, not truth, progress in the sense coming closer to the truth. No man in Scripture is called divine, yes? Hence progress.

Well then, that's progress [!]