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You are apparently oblivious of the need for the work of preevangelism. Evidential testimonies can open hearts to the possibility that the claims of Christ are worth considering and can thus lead to salvation. That was true for my agnostic friend Roger.

Dave L: "And you do not think scripture is perfect? And does not do a better job than tongues?" Scripture is not perfect in the sense that it is complete revelation. It does not address many issues like abortion, which, however, is specifically condemned by the noncanonical Didache (c. 95...

LOL, you haughtily proclaim Pentecostal ignorance of the Word, when in fact it is you and your ilk who are virtually illiterate in the scholarly research of biblical texts in the original languages and against the background of contemporary Greco-Roman culture. As a Harvard doctoral student in...

One of the most important NT texts on praying in the Spirit is Romans 8:26-27: "Likewise, the Spirit helps us in our weakness; for we don't know how to pray as we ought, but that very Spirit intercedes with groans too deep for words...The Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will...

Roger B. recently retired from his top executive position is the federal HUD department. He is an agnostic, but developed an openness to the claims of Christ through the NDEs and ADCs that I am describing in this thread. He even invited me to his vacation home in Fort Erie, Ontario. A fellow...

(2) Dave Q. is in our weekly small prayer group, He suffered from a massive blood clot that extended from his foot to his groin area. Doctors expressed the hope that this clot would eventually calcify, removing the risk to his heart. Dave and his wife Patty's prayers did nothing to change his...

Dave K: "If tongues cease at the end of the world, why would Paul mention the obvious? It's because they were to cease when the perfect word of God replaced them." You keep ignoring the decisive fact that has been pointed out to you: tongues cease only when we seek Him "face to face (1...

Now it's you who are speaking jibberish! Scripture records the judgment that much of Corinthians glossolalia was "of the flesh" rather than Spirit-inspired. You have no grounds whatever to assume that modern tongues are less Spirit-inspired than the tongues spoken in Paul's churches.

In this case, both are equally heresay; and you need a basic course in logic because you are committing the fallacy of begging the question by assuming as true what is to be proven. Much of the tongues in the NT church was of the flesh and you have no way of knowning whether and to what extent...

Duh, by your argument, the reports in Acts and 1 Corinthians are all hearsay. You've got nothing in support of your naïve pontifications and I have laid out the modern Pentecostal position before which you freeze like Bambi in the headlights and have nothing to say! What you don't get is this...

For a brief demonstration of some of the manifestations of glossolalia after the apostolic age, see: alkingpentecostalism.blogspot.com/2006/12/what-is-history-of-tongues.html T he ongoing legitimacy of the ecstatic gifts has nothing to do with the closure of the biblical canon and you can cite...

Dave L: "The points are meaningless. Tongues ceased as Paul said. Now you demonstrate your misunderstanding of 1 Corinthians 13:10-12. I challenge you to find a single modern academic commentary on 1 Corinthians that agrees with you! In his magisterial commentary on 1 Corinthians Hans...

Dave, I take by your deafening silence that you are incapable of appending the relevant texts to my list of 7 biblical points about tongues. To me, that means that you don't have a clue what you're talking about and you can't even articulate the Pentecostal's detailed justification for their...

We patiently wait for Dave to copy (1)-(7) in my list of key points with appended chapters and verse to show that he at least grasps how Pentecostals defend their position. Meanwhilr, let's dispose of his quoted claim. Dave of course is referring to the 2 outpourings in Acts 2 and 10. His...

ARE YOU A BLESSING MACHINE? My friend Lloyd shared his friend's remarkable and instructive testimony with me. This man was an avowed unbeliever. One day, as he was strolling through a very crowded mall, he inadvertently bumped into a middle-aged lady. She braced herself for the impact by...

Nonsense! I didn't think you knew how Pentecostals defend their position. So you are reduced to groundless pontifications. I repeat my challenge: provide the texts they cite to demonstrate that you know what you're talking about. I didn't think you could; that's why I provided that outline...

These 7 statements are biblical sound. If a skeptic wants to dispute them, I want to him to first establish his awareness of the texts that establish each claim. If he can't, then he hasn't done his homework and is not worth debating. If he can, I will start a separate thread that defends...

Sometimes people aren't healed because the right faith-filled person did not pray for the answer to the need in question. This thread will explore several relevant testimonies and then reflect on (a) the biblical basis for this reality and (b) what this means for the church's ministry of prayer...

(1) NDE researchers like Dr. Raymond Moody are now writing books about shared NDEs, which are generally far more evidential than most conventional NDEs because the doctors, nurses, and family members witnessing the apparent deaths actually experience key elements of the NDEs, including the OBE...

Let me begin with this disclaimer: I am an evangelical Christian for whom Christ's atoning death and resurrection are the anchor of my faith. But at their best, the verifications inherent in ADCs (=After-Death Contacts) and NDEs (near-death experiences) replicate by their seemingly "physical...