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Maybe using different words will convey the point clearer: Grace emanates from God. Faith connects us to his grace (salvation) You have the cart before the horse. Scripture says whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. It doesn't say, as you allege, that those who...

Nope. Seems we can’t effectively communicate on this point. Post 27 and the equation posted is ignored. Make.a blessed day.

My God man! Do the math! I’m responding to your claim that salvation begins and ends with God or words to that effect. If God has everything to do with salvation, then we have nothing to do with it.

Well, it logically follows, my friend. IF salvation begins and ends with God, necessarily not having anything to do with us, THEN the commands for us to believe and show faith have no bearing whatsoever on our salvation. See the contradiction with Romans 10:9 "If you openly declare that Jesus...

Gibberish. The Bible is a practical guide to life. People need food, water, clothing, companionship and care when sick. These are not "shadows" of something spiritual, making them not fleshy, worldly, soulful items. But I'll try it your way. The next time anyone like my wife asks me to provide...

You are confusing personal enemies with enemies of State.

Nope. Treating people in this world with fleshy needs that we as Christ followers are expected to provide is the context. Again, "bread" is not even mentioned. It's food, and not symbolic food; actual, literal, physical nourishment for our bodies.

So, universalism is correct doctrine, then?

Same here and why I put him on ignore months ago.

Exactly! I’ve said as much to him. Funny how political correctness has affected the church. Can’t call things by their proper name. It offends people. @Matthias certainly is not a Christian apologist! When he runs out of things to condemn Christian’s about, he invents pacifist standards to...

This is an overly strict take on defense. It's unreasonable to suppose one is burdened with forever blocking punches and must allow the enemy to forever be afforded the opportunity to attack you lest you be accused of "going on offense."

I agree but noticed you did not vote in the poll.

Notice how the Muslim apologists here (@Matthias) has nothing to say about such evil?

It's not that he is merely hypocritical about something he's not thought through. He's fanatically devoted to over-spiritualization, life ending pacificism, and living by inverted moral poles, categorizing laziness and cowardice as morally superior to those who take responsibility for their own...

Other pacifists falsely claim God stopped commanding people to use violence in the OT days.

Pacifism rejects the virtue of prudence. Watched a vid over the weekend of a lawyer who played a vid from a story about 6 months ago. A crazy woman in a Walmart parking lot stabbed a 3 year old when the cart was at the back of the car and the mother put something in the front seat, i.e...

The other thing is framing the Crusaders always as the aggressors when they were reacting to centuries of pillaging, plundering, raping, enslaving and war mongering by the Islamic Jihadi's. The Crusaders do it a small fraction in response and the Muslims and their apologists have been whining...

Bread is not one of the 6 worldly, soulful items specified, showing you’re taking a fleshy command falsely into a symbolic reference out of context. Good day.

Neither God nor Christ is having this conversation. It's just your position and my position. Get over yourself! No one ever said it's not God's salvation through Christ. You're just in denial that when the captain sends the ship to rescue the drowning man at see, the ensign who throws the...

That's bravado, which I'm generally in favor. However, this goes against protocol. While I'm not privy to how the protocol was developed, we have to trust those with the authority to create protocol have good reason to do what they do. One can think of reasons to pause the event: The crime...