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The Church is found throughout the tribulation period. The Church is described as the “saints” in Revelation 5:8, 8:3, 8:4, 11:18, 13:7, 13:10, 14:12, 15:3, 16:6, 17:6, 19:8 and 20:9. The New Testament uses the term “saint” some 59 times, repeatedly describing Christians who walk in newness of...

LOL. Again, no evidence, only what your teachers have indoctrinated you with, and which you cannot prove.

Once again: there is nothing clear (or ambiguous) here that proves a rapture of the Church, followed by any length of sustained tribulation followed by a 3rd coming, nothing. You need to be taught Pretrib and then force it into this text in order to see that. In fact, you have no proof-text...

The reader can see the link, and see how you avoided every question.

What has Rev 4 to do with it? Where is your rapture there?

LOL. Who cares who you put on ignore! You are doing him a favor!

More avoidance. The reader can see for themselves. You have no answer to the truth. Scripture destroys Pretrib.

Zion is shown here to be in heaven. The redeemed here have been delivered from this present age. Look at the inspired detail instead of what your teachers have misled you with. Where does it say the 144,000 are raptured? This is more adding unto Scripture. This sums up every tenet of Pretrib...

LOL. Of course you will avoid. You have to. Your Pretrib error has long went up in a puff up smoke. It is dead. Why can you not apologize for your lies?

Here is the evidence: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/it-is-time-to-give-pretrib-a-decent-burial.65087/page-105#post-1950159 He tried to address one question, and even avoided it.

Hello! They are there now!

Do you know what the firstfruits of Israel really means? You're making them the last-fruits of Israel.

The reader can see for themselves how you are lying through your teeth: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/it-is-time-to-give-pretrib-a-decent-burial.65087/post-1950159 Not true. Another lie. I asked both OT and NT and you have come up with nothing. You are promoting extra-biblical...

Where is your 7 year trib or any lengthy trib in 1 Thess 4 after the catching away? It is time to cough up or shut up

These are the firstfruits of the great commission. These are the dead in Christ in heaven right now. Revelation 14:1, 3-5 describes: “And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads ...

LOL. No, you have repeatedly avoided these. You answered Q1 with an irrelevant evasive answer once. That is it! You have nothing. If you had it you would give it.

All he has is avoidance and insults. Welcome to Pretrib and Premil on public forums.

LOL. You have nothing. You are promoting an extra-biblical Jesuit invention.

How about actually showing us any Scripture that teaches a rapture of the Church followed by a 7 years trib followed by a 3rd coming, instead of always voicing personal opinions?

Anyone that has engaged with Pretribbers on forums like this will know that they cannot furnish us with one single proof text to support their teaching. They cannot show you where in Scripture teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by seven-year tribulation, followed by a third coming of the...