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  1. GodsGrace

    Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

    Not sure what you mean - and not to change the subject, but the Quran is chock full of contradictions. Surah 4:80 states that Muhammad must be followed because he is a prophet and because he is a good example. OK. We won't get into that here.
  2. GodsGrace

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    That makes it better.... 21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. We can't ever depend on only one verse.... it has to fit in/be reconciled to all scripture.
  3. GodsGrace

    Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

    The above is found in the prophecies....
  4. GodsGrace

    Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

    And you're right! But THE TRINITY ties them together so that there is only One God and not three.
  5. GodsGrace

    Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

    Right. JESUS, while a man, had a Father and a God. My Father and your Father, My God and your God. We've been through this.
  6. GodsGrace

    Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

    I know that you believe differently from most so it's not easy to discuss. I can only repeat that your understanding creates 3 Gods and there is only One. One God Three Persons It's not math. It's theology.
  7. GodsGrace

    Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

    The Quran is most imperfect. The reason the Apostles were quoring the OT was to show that Jesus was the Messiah, the awaited one. And they wrote to show that Jesus is God. Especially John. Especially Hebrews. You make it sound like they had to quote something and the OT is all they had...
  8. GodsGrace

    Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

    Jesus is eternal because He always existed. Did you read the explanation of BEGOTTEN? It DOES NOT mean created - at any point in time. This means you haven't grasped the meaning of BEGOTTEN. I do wish we could eliminate it from theological discussions. Maybe we could use the word GENERATED...
  9. GodsGrace

    Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

    Why are we still discussing the word BEGOTTEN? Could we sign a petition to REMOVE it from the English theological language? Paul was beheaded by Rome. Again: Does HISTORY END in the book of Acts? OR Do the Apostles, incl Paul, continue with their lives?? Theology is the STUDY OF GOD. STUDY...
  10. GodsGrace

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    You said changes have been made to the Christian faith. I said there were changes ONLY because some were teaching heresy. If you think there have been other changes, just list some. In your quotes above: WHAT did Jesus get wrong in His statements. You say they were correct, but then go on to...
  11. GodsGrace

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Your verse: 2 Corinthians 5:21 (why must I post your verse??? - many on this forum do this). 21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. Jesus took the sins of the world UPON HIMSELF when He was on the cross. There was a...
  12. GodsGrace

    Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

    Not enuogh prophecies for you GH? Not the right ones? https://www.about-jesus.org/complete-chart-prophecies-jesus.htm https://www.newtestamentchristians.com/bible-study-resources/351-old-testament-prophecies-fulfilled-in-jesus-christ/
  13. GodsGrace

    Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

    @Grailhunter 3 of 3 Tertullian (AD 150-225) was an early Christian apologist. He said, Hippolytus of Rome (AD 170-235) was a third-century theologian. He was a disciple of Irenaeus, who was a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of John. He writes, **Nearly all of the above early...
  14. GodsGrace

    Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

    @Grailhunter Irenaeus of Lyons (AD 130-202) was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, which is now Lyons, France. Irenaeus was born in Smyrna in Asia Minor, where he studied under bishop Polycarp, who in turn had been a disciple of John the Apostle. Clement of Alexandria (AD 150-215) was another...
  15. GodsGrace

    Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

    I believe Jesus is God because that is what the Apostles taught. And because the early church right after the Apostles also taught that Jesus is God. I'd say that they know better what the Apostles taught than some denomination or other from sprang up some 200 years ago. I'll post the...
  16. GodsGrace

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    I accept the explanation of no one. Because you explain something does not make it correct. You posted scripture stating that the Holy Spirit is a uniting force between the Father and Son. It does NOT state that in the scripture you posted. UNLESS you can show where it states that the Holy...
  17. GodsGrace

    Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

    Well, a pastor once said that if the history of the NT is a conspiracy, it's the most well-planned and intricate conspiracy of all time. I believe the writers quoted the OT because they saw Jesus there.
  18. GodsGrace

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    Oh...I see. You go by "inference". Inference could be right or it could be wrong. Better to depend on scripture instead.
  19. GodsGrace

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    OK So WHERE in the above verses does it state that God Father and God Son are united by the Holy Spirit? Is the Holy Spirit God just as Son and Father are God? Where does it state that He is a uniting force?
  20. GodsGrace

    "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

    I accept all of the Word of God. It is stated nowhere in your verses John 17:20....that Father and Son are united by the Holy Spirit.