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    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    The book of Enoch was removed from the Bible because it was considered to be apocryphal, or non-canonical1. The book was not included in the Biblical canon due to the belief that Enoch himself didn’t author most of the book and that it wasn’t divinely inspired by God2. There is also a lack of...
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    What happened to Enoch? Would love some input on this.

    Enoch could not have ascended up to heaven before Christ defeated death by His cross and resurrection. Enoch did not [see] death, in the same way no faithful saint shall. John 8:51 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. To not see death...
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    That could certainly be the proper understanding of the passage. But I tend to look at being born again as a strictly spiritual phenomenon that is uniquely distinct from physical birth. So, I tend to think being born of water and the Spirit is a supernatural rather than a natural event. It...
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    My thinking exactly! Christ cannot be saying we have to be physically alive through natural birth to be born again of the Spirit, because as you've pointed out that is absurd!
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Don't forget vs 3 also. Man must be born again or they cannot see (know) the Kingdom of God. John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. So man must be born again, and born of water and the...
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    Spiritual gifts: Unconfusing them part 2

    You were emphasizing 'gift' as opposed to 'gifts' arguing for that reason the verse is speaking of the Holy Spirit Himself as the gift, because otherwise it would have been written 'gifts'. My contention is that it is written 'gift' and not 'gifts' because it was specifically speaking of the...
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    Spiritual gifts: Unconfusing them part 2

    Not if the gift in mind was the same gift of tongues that had been evidenced already.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    This is a good example of why the Olivet Discourse must be interpreted as dual fulfillment. First for the Jews of the Old Covenant nation, lastly for all the nations of the world of the New Covenant Israel of God. Daniel's prophesy has dual fulfillment, because the faithful saints of Old...
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    This is very discouraging for me to hear. When we are shown proof from Scripture that the doctrine we cling to is not biblically true, why do some react in this manner? Why don't you try to prove from Scripture how I am "far off on this"? If you cannot prove this from the Bible, then why do...
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    Why is the need to study the bible for yourself; important?

    Studying the Bible consists of more than reading and obeying what it says. Study requires diligently searching for verses and passages that may confirm or dispute what we believe the verse or passage means. It is only though studying the Bible as a cohesive whole that we are able to understand...
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    Why is the need to study the bible for yourself; important?

    2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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    Soul vs SPIRIT

    There was communication between God and Adam & Eve after they committed sin and brought death to creation when they disobeyed God. But communication means the ability to hear spoken words, and that is not the same as having the ability to commune with God. They could no longer commune, which is...
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    Soul vs SPIRIT

    The blood of an animal had to be sacrificed to cover their nakedness. This is a symbolic depiction of Christ giving His blood to make atonement for sin. Genesis 3:21-24 (KJV) Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. And the LORD God said...
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Can there ever be unity found in a people called the Church on this earth? The Church now is filled with both wheat and tares, that is believers and unbelievers alike. The tares will be with the wheat until they are separated out of the body of believers when the Lord returns. What does...
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    The Holy Spirit gives gifts to us, being in us. Paul speaks more clearly about what the gifts of the Holy Spirit might be. In the conversion of the repentant Jews in Acts 2, we are not told what the gift of the Spirit in them was. It could have been tongues, as had been given to prove power...
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    In Acts 2 they heard and were pricked in their heart because they believed in Christ through the message Peter preached to them. Upon repentance, asking "what shall we do" they were directed to be baptized in Christ's name, and then they should be capable of the gifts of the Holy Ghost. Notice...
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Trying to say it better, the ordinance of water baptism is not to be saved. It is to continue to point the Church to Christ, and to separate the Church from the world of unbelievers. Matthew 28:19-20 (KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and...
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    I don't understand exactly what you're saying here. We are saved by the Holy Spirit (baptism) when we hear the Gospel preached and through the power of the Holy Spirit we believe the Gospel. So he that believes and is baptized through the power of the Word and Spirit are saved. Not all who...
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    The problem, as I see it, does not come from not accepting what is written, the problem is rightly dividing what is written so that we do not introduce contradiction into the Word of God. The question that comes immediately to mind when I read "he that believeth and is baptized shall be...
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    As long as we focus is on the Word of God, there will never be consensus or even peace in our lifetime. Matthew 10:34 (KJV) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Ephesians 6:17 (KJV) And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the...