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Why...it is not 'either V or" but both. There are many levels that the Holy Spirit speaks to us... He is not suck within = literal OR Spiritual. The bible is a spiritual book which can only truly be understood spiritually. Even within every literal verse or story...there is always a...

Agree!!

And...your point is...what? We all know all that. Yawn... All you have done here is to trot out the same things...again. And what do you do with Romans 8 19...my comment to SCOTT was "in passing"...it is not the subject under discussion...

Agree, Humble does not mean being walked over, or to creep about with ones face to the ground. Num 12 -3 "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth." And as we know Moses had all of God's authority behind him, and was a great leader. :)...

( and @amadeus ) Would you say that the next 'coming' will be Christ in us? Rom 8 19 "For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. " I know you are a rapturists , but I tend to believe that Rom 8.19 is His coming. For me that is the...

Maybe you wouldn't have found us here, if you weren't suspended from WhatsApp!! Their loss is our gain. :)

Welcome back Marlene ....we have missed you xx

Amen...good post. The Children of Israel ‘could have done their trip to the promised land in a number of weeks, not years... yet they were not mature, seasoned or ready with the right attitude, so God made them take 40 years. “To test them to see what was in their hearts “ We may “think”...

Yes, it’s all part of the overall WWO plan. :) I guess nothing should surprise us any more .

Amen. The father knew that one day he would see his son return. Once he had been through 'the refining of a son.' Jesus leaned by what he suffered- "Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered..." The trial of our faith equipping us to fight the enemy of...

Sounds like you are speaking about the church in our day!!!!!!!

Yay!!!!

Even when I was a very young christian , I found Hebrews so different from the other books... I had no idea that it had been a discussion for centuries... It just 'read' differently to me. But, like I say...whoever wrote it I am thankful...it is a wonderful book.

Yes, its your black and white showing. :D We will just agree to differ on it. ( but one day you will see that I am right. )

Yes. Yes. And no. We do not believe that there is anywhere to hide and be safe...when that day come. As you know...we've been there, done that... It may prolong life for a while...but in time it will run out..or someone will know you are there with your 'stuff' and take it from you. God...

Love it! :)

Amen. Good word, I agree.

Lovely Pat. Excellent reminder to us. x

Yes, agree on all points... :)

I would go as far as saying that anyone can ONLY have a spiritual relationship with Jesus. We cannot have a religious one. If it it 'religious' it is no longer a real live relationship. So many people have chosen a religion over a relationship, as the children of Israel did at the foot of...