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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    At the very least the Temple and buildings that from Old represented the Holy Place of God and worship to Him in Jerusalem.
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    The definition of "telos" also carries with it a continual custom that is coming to an end! Although the Old Covenant was ended by the cross & resurrection, the customary worship did not end until the temple and buildings were destroyed. Strong's Greek Dictionary 5056. τέλος telos (télos)...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Absolutely true! Not one time is "telos" translated "end of the age"!
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    You call what you don't agree with twisting? Unless you can show me how I've twisted the texts, I will assume you cannot, and therefore it is your opinion without fact!
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Really! Care to elaborate?
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    Question RE Unconditional Election

    I'll answer with a question for you. How many or who among those first century disciples of Christ had perfect understanding of all doctrine? If those who walked with Christ on the earth did not have perfect understanding for all Biblical doctrine are they not eternally secure in Christ? Good...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Didn't Christ come to those who had already died, through His Spirit? Aren't they presently spiritually alive with Christ in heaven? Isn't that what Paul means when he says Christ is the firstfruits of them that slept? They were physically dead being born in Adam. Now, since Christ is...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Why does Christ say He will not come until He goes away and sends Him? John 16:7-15 (KJV) Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    You gave verses attributing what I've already said I agree with??? Why not address the verse I gave you that tells us the Spirit was WITH you but would be IN you? It's the permanent presence of Christ IN us by His Spirit that is the SIGN Christ's disciples (all of them) cannot endure or...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Who are you arguing with? I've never said or even implied the Holy Spirit's presence being in certain people in both the Old and New Testaments. Though the Spirit was in some people of old, the Spirit came and went according to the will of God. That's why we read of Him coming upon a person...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    The Holy Spirit has always been sent by God to be with certain individuals, but He was not IN US until after the cross and resurrection. John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Sorry! Don't know what you mean? The context tells us what "the end" is. The beginning is not in question! And telos defined "the end" is, according to context, speaking of whatever is in view. OTOH syntéleia defined "the end" always speaks of the consummation when Christ comes again.
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    At that point in time they had not received the Holy Spirit. But they would need Him. That's why Christ breathed the Spirit unto them, because without the Spirit in them they might not remain faithful unto their end. John 20:19-23 (KJV) Then the same day at evening, being the first day of...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    That's true while He was still with them. But how would they continue to have faith after Christ departs? Would they not then need power from on high?
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Is that what they needed to believe He would come again? It's not His coming that they needed a sign for. It's the SIGN they needed to believe Him.
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    But was the sign they wanted of His second coming, or did they need the sign of His presence in them? Without that sign, would Christ's disciples believe the world they were promised would be FOREVER would one day end?
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    The only thing written that I would limit to the consummation when Christ comes again are the signs in the sun, moon and stars, and Christ appearing again physically, the Son of man coming in the clouds, when He sends His angels to gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Yes, Scripture is abundantly clear that "great tribulation" and persecution will come to the disciples of Christ as we faithfully proclaim His Gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit. It began in the first century AD and will not end until the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is completed...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Perhaps the difficulty comes because we try to literalize what might become logical when we understand the warnings of things to come must be spiritually discerned? Because Christ is detailing for His people (the Church) throughout the ages the great spiritual conflicts between good and evil as...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    The difference is "the end" of telos is determined according to context. It means "the end" of whatever is in view. Where "the end" from sunteleia is always the end of the world.