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They are not the same. It is not MY understanding... it's what Christian theology teaches. It could easily be found now that we have the internet.

Read the first few sentences. OSAS is a doctrine of demons. And YOU teach it. 1 Timothy 4:1 1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

So PS... where is all this love in your heart that you keep talking about?? You sound rather upset. And I'm not ARGUING.... I'm discussing theology. You're not debating with me PS.... I just post scripture... you're debating with Jesus. HE said that those that do the will of the Father are...

Well PS,,,you can think about this some more. A person can give all their belongings away... but Do they have faith? If they do,,,it counts... if they do not...it does not count. We have to obey,,,whether we want to or not. If we do works God is pleased.... If we do them out of fear or to...

PS We cannot base Christian theology on our own personal experience... we have to go by what the NT teaches, including Jesus. Personally, I don't understand how anyone could abandon God or how anyone could live a life of sin after knowing Jesus... however the NT says it's possible and I have...

§The above came through twice PS... that's why I asked if you were speaking to me. No problem...

And your first sentence implies that we can be saved by works. This is not taught in the NT. We are saved by faith. AFTER we're saved...God DOES require us to obey Him. Or does He not?

Are you talking to me? Why do we bring our own "common sense" to the scriptures? It's the heart...of course. So are you saying that once we're saved we cannot sin? In essence this is what you're saying.

Ha! That's what you think! Study up on it. Already it is trying to do little things that it is not programmed to do. Those that know about this were begging for it to stop some years ago so we could just think about it and maybe even pass some laws. But mankind cannot stop to consider his...

Ditto. I don't know how we could be reading the same bible and come up with different theology. I wish everyone went to a bible believing/teaching church and had some guidance. In my opinion, this is a big problem for Christianity.

It happens in all denominations. Mike Winger is getting much grief right now because he has exposed this. Of course this is wrong and the CC is paying its dues for this. I don't think the CC is even considering this. I agree with you BTW...I'm just saying it doesn't seem to bother the...

This entire theology is a mess right now. I agree with you that if a person is saved he will WANT to do good works. This is wonderful and all well and good. But the next step DOWN is to say that we are saved whether or not we do good works. It's a slippery slope. What we should be saying, and...

The above is NOT what Jesus taught. This is what Jesus taugth: John 5:28-29 28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds...

GA Please find out what the word SHOULD means in the verse you posted in no. 285..... Efez 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. It doesn't mean SHOULD as it is used today. Do you really think we can...

You obviously do not understand that if Jesus is doing all the work for us.... then it is Jesus who is responsible if we disobey God,,,fall away,,,,and become lost. Apparently you believe it is GOD that causes man to sin.

What exactly does it mean to receive Jesus as Savior? And is Jesus only your Savior or is He also your Lord?

What do you think is a more humane service?

You must pray to Mary a lot. You seem obsessed.

Before I reply to the above... I replied to ALL of your verses. Why are you sending me new ones? Please reply to the verses I provided for you - showing how a person must BELIEVE FIRST in order to be saved. God does NOT give us faith first so that we could believe. We believe and then we...

It's a problem. Eventually about 70% of jobs will be dominated/usurped by AI. Already there's talk of a universal income. That's a problem too.