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Yes. Grace also works over time...a time of grace. What will we do with the time we are given AFTER we have been enlightened. And that varies greatly from person to person. We are to judge nothing before the time. But we are to at least try to correct those who are obviously getting it...

Very interesting thoughts. I agree that Paul was not always in the Spirit. The time he argued with Barnabas...and with Peter. A little hot-headed at times. :) We can be led by the Spirit and yet still be walking in our own power (flesh). However, we may learn to grow in character as the...

The reformation idea of imputed righteousness as being that of God Himself is proved wrong very easily. What's harder is for those who have fallen for that form of heresy to be honest. No one is choosing the "imputed" option so far....which is the reformation option. The other option...that of...

I'm hoping to make the imputation doctrine more clear for people so they can choose the road they wish to go down. One of the weanings (shedding of iniquity) of the outer man is to let go of the reformation doctrines that continue to divide the Body of Christ. God doesn't see us differently...

Luther was a mess...not a man of God. An anti_Semite. An authoritarian anti-Christian who consigned Anabaptists (real disciples) to be burned to death. Look at Hitler's diatribe against the Jews...burning their synagogues etc. All this stems from Luther. I'm amazed that believers can't see...

Not so much. There are conditions to being made the righteousness of God. That condition for each believer is to be found IN Christ...as an individual. So then IN Christ we are made the righteousness of God...to the world. Or...We have been made the righteousness of God IN Christ. In todays...

The imputation doctrine is based on covering sin...not destroying sin. Luther's position was that he was a terrible sinner....covered by grace. Like a fresh covering of snow that covers a dunghill. I have posted a poll that I think most reformation types will be too shy to post what they...

Does God make darkness light and light darkness through a scheme that sees one imputed on the other? Or is that on us? Is the Reformation from God or from men? Is Luther an agent of light or of darkness? "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light...

Our bibles have a bias...a Christian bias (mostly correct), but also (King James version as an example) a reformation bias. Some verses are translated in a way that produces an undesirable result. A prime example of that bias comes with the translation of Is. 1:18 into English. "Come now, and...

What say you? Transformation or cover-up (reformation)?

...but only God can justify!

It's amazing that words take on whatever meaning that supports a self-interest...as opposed to wanting to know the will of God. Where is the fear of the Lord? To impute means to attribute. if a baby is crying then the crying is imputed (attributed) to the child. The heresy is in...

Looking over the thread again...This is a real beauty ;) It does not say God recognized righteousness in Abraham It says because Abraham believed, God imputed to abraham his righteousness. Abrahams righteousness is as filthy rags.. all people. ot or nt. can not be saved unless they are...

I'm open to discussing the subject of this thread as opposed to attacking the messenger! ;) Truth brings out the flesh...where it should bring out the desire to be pleasing to God. All who post from a continuing self-interest I will place on ignore.

That is indeed the cost of the oil...all we have and are in this world. But the easy thing is to impute to oneself all that is good, and to others all that is evil. What is your stand on imputation? Do you only impute good to yourself?

Not hurt, but offended in the flesh. You defend the interests of ego...regardless of their position. That is your ultimate concern...because it reflects back on your ego. You believe that God saves the flesh along with the soul. And I have stated that the biblical position is to separate the...

A misunderstanding of Paul doesn't (or shouldn't) negate the rest of the Bible. 2 Peter 3:16: As also in all his (Paul's) epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other...

Away from self-interest? Does an ego driven personality realize they are walking in the power of the flesh?

The seat of all indoctrination is the ego. When an indoctrination is challenged, so is the ego. As such, it becomes impossible for the once-indoctrinated person to be set free...since the truth is seen as a threat. A personal threat. Those who have fooled modern believers are wise indeed...but...

The seat of all indoctrination is the ego. When an indoctrination is challenged, so is the ego. As such. it becomes impossible for the once-indoctrinated person to be set free...since the truth is seen as a threat. A personal threat. Those who have fooled modern believers are wise indeed...but...