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BF.... Then Jesus is a failure. Because HE said that those IN HIM that do not bear fruit will be cut off, taken away. It might be your theology that is off... NOT what Jesus taught. IF it is His responsibility... WHY does Jesus teach that we are to continue to abide in Him? Isn't up to HIM...

What? Are you seriously asking me that? If you want to discuss Ephesians 4:13 that would be fine. If you're going to ask silly questions,,,then I'm done.

So nice of you to state that I might just possibly be Christian. HOW would YOU say God reveals Himself? I believe He reveals Himself in different ways... but THE TRUTH must remain the same --- even if limited. If someone is baptized...God has already revealed Himself....

The NT refers to baptism as water baptism. So the verses I posted state that water baptism cleanses us from sin.

This is what I mean.... The same deity of §God is in ALL OF US?? We are asked to walk in the teachings of Jesus... not in His deity. I suppose you believe in Theosis or apotheosis. Well Gary Mac... you don't know me enough to know if I walk with Jesus or not. And walking with Him is as close...

I can, after 10 years of this, attest to the fact that some prefer Paul over Jesus thinking that Paul taught something different. This idea would make the New Testament of no value.... Paul taught exactly what Jesus taught. He just says it in a more scholarly way and instead Jesus wanted to make...

When the NT speaks about Jesus having the fullness of God it's to demonstrate that He IS God. If we say we have the same fulness...aren't we saying we're little gods?? As to the fullness of Jesus belonging to the church... I think this is out of the context of what is being said but I've never...

Paul thought he was a little Jesus. OK I really don't care to discuss wild Christian claims. We have enough disagreement between ourselves that we don't need to add to it with nonsense.

My goodness nedsk.... since when does doctrine save anyone? Our doctrine does not save us... our belief in God saves us and our obedience to God saves us. God came in the flesh to teach us HOW to be saved. I used to tell the kids the story of the little bird that got stuck in the barn...

It's rather distressing to me that it even has to be discussed. As if God does not require obedience. 'nuff said...this isn't the place. But your statement is encouraging to me.

Agreed. But how about ONE BEING but 3 PERSONS? That's how the Trinity is explained. God is the Being.... The Being is Father who is also a person... the other 2 persons are Son and Holy Spirit.

So it says CHRISTIAN under your avatar. (it's confusing to me). So you don't believe God attempts to teach mankind how to get to heaven? Or do you not think heaven exists?

Yes well, Christianity does have its problems. Like some that don't even understand their own religion/faith. Satan has a lot of power. He walketh about - seeking whom he will devour. §That sounds pretty scary to me and this is what he does. Evil is from satan.... so if someone thinks he has...

I'm sorry Hidden that I don't have the time to read each and every post. 248 of them so far. I just, at times, pick up on something or other and make a comment to the poster, in this case YOU. So, yeah, I don't really know what you mean by the above. What evil creature? Satan?

Are there any exceptions?

Yes sir. The Vine is CHRIST. And CHRIST said. John 15:2 2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; Every branch IN JESUS --- that would be a saved person.... only saved persons are IN JESUS.... that does not bear fruit,,,GOD takes away. Plain and simple. God takes...

Please don't judge a person's soul Gary Mac. God did NOT go on vacation and put YOU in charge. Thanks.

That we are little Jesus' ? §Where does Paul state this? I remember that Paul exhorts us to good behavior in every letter he wrote. Did Jesus need to be exhorted to behave properly?

YOU said that baptism is a metaphor and does not wash away sin. Do you believe the NT or not? All the verses I posted state that baptism washes away sin. Should these verses be removed from the New Testament according to you? or Maybe you'd like to post some scripture that states that...

If a woman could find a job, she grabs it. Bad economy...2 pay checks are really needed - more than in the states. Women don't want to be housewives any more Wynona. I've come to accept this fact with much sadness. Children are being raised by the state and women that are NOT their mothers...