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You could make the post REALLY BIG MMD. But the truth is that what you posted is only ONE of the four hypothesis. And each one can be proven with scripture. Ouch!

LOL Pretty funny Behold. We've been through this. The Apostolic Fathers were taught by THE APOSTLES. It would be a good idea to read up on them....15 volumes worth. The Early Church Fathers were taught by the Apostolic Fathers. After that...I lose interest due to the church aligning itself...

What? They still have indulgences. They HAVE admitted that some outside the church can be saved. I really can't think of anything else.

So nice to honor Mary... the Mother of our Lord. This particular Pope feels that he owes his life to her. Guess you don't know about the predictions of Fatima. No matter. John 13:35 35“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

I don't believe HOW one accepts the host is doctrine. One could choose either method. Will ask a priest if I think of it next time (or a Deacon - a neighbor of mine). I don't believe the host should be accepted in the hands... but it's how children in Catechism are taught nowadays.

So you believe that once born again you will lose your free will? You believe that God will save you even IF you do NOT desire to be saved? 2 _Timothy 2:12 states that GOD WILL DENY a person... IF that person denies God. Right. There will be no reigning with God for those that DENY Him. I...

WHEN did I place any doubt on your security with Christ? I don't refer to a person's relationship to God which only THEY and GOD can know. What I said is this: Our personal experience does not take the place of doctrinal issues regarding what the NT teaches. I may believe, personally, that God...

Agreed. One cannot be born a Christian... he must become one by choice. I was born Catholic, into a Catholic family. But, at some point, one must decide to believe or not believe. Jesus said we must BELIEVE...so until then we cannot be saved. Another person cannot believe "for us".

Good morning Gary Mac As I said already, this is not turning into a thread about the divinity of Jesus. All those verses you posted prove absolutely nothing. Start a thread if you like,,,however, as I've already said,,, I don't think two CHRISTIANS (have have the title Christian under your...

No problem. All good. Here's what is starting to change my mind.....the idea that: Of course we have to be born FIRST....this seems like it doesn't require mentioning.... Plus the fact that Hebrew is really BORN FROM ABOVE instead of BORN AGAIN... a point could be made of this also, which...

Is a believer saved? Jesus said they BELIEVE for a while and then FALL AWAY. Who said a person cannot be brought back to salvation? Have you not read this: 1 Timothy 4:16 16Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure...

I'm happy for you complete. But our personal experience may or may not reflect what the NT teaches. YOU stayed the course. You did not fall away..and, indeed, most Christians do not. But the possibility exists and to deny it is to deny what Jesus taught. God bless you abundantly !

I read everything....you say holy means holy. Can't use the same word to explain the word. Holy simply means to be set aside for service to God. Regarding the rest, this would turn into a debate about the divinity of Jesus. I came to some kind of understanding about the Trinity quite some...

Sorry. Yes. I don't know either. I agree about a smaller but stronger church. They cannot change doctrine either. It would create a problem... was the church right BEFORE or AFTER. This is one of the reasons adult baptism never takes hold. In the early church doctrine was being worked out...

These statements sound very nice complete. Problem is that it is NOT what Jesus taught. IF we are walking in the newness of life,,,then we will always be safe in the arms of Jesus. And, yes, if God has begun a work in us...He will continue in that work IF we allow Him to. Do you believe we...

Indulgences are not binding and losing. Where are they in scripture? I'm not throwing out any babies. I'm stating facts. Ya think? Giving communion to remarrieds? Banning the Latin Mass? Blessing SS COUPLES? Abolishing the church's position on the death penalty? The SYNOD? Incl lay persons...

Right. But we all believe we have the truth! But let's not discuss other members. Agreed 100% Indulgences are not fine nedsk. I also have a problem with confession and I'll tell you why. Many sin thinking that they'll then go to confession. This belief does not change the heart for MOST...

Yes sir. Jesus certainly knew our nature. And how the heart must change....

God does the baptizing, of course. What good would it be IF man did the dipping? It would mean nothing. Jesus said to baptize....not a man. John baptized for the forgiveness of sins...to prepare the way of the Lord. §To prepare the hearts of those that wanted to repent. What do you mean "when...