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  1. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    Pentecost is the most likely time as it is the 2nd harvest. The Passover barley harvest would be the 1st. The dead in Christ rise first.
  2. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    There are two raptures. Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. The Church will be raptured pre trib before the seals are open. The seals are the 70th week of Daniel. There will also be a pre wrath rapture of the 12 tribes at the 6th seal. The time you mentioned is the time for the rapture...
  3. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    Jesus said summer is near in regard to the fig tree. Much more likely that the rapture of the Church will be on Pentecost
  4. The Light

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Here we go again.... The Church will be raptured before the seals are opened. That's why it is pre trib. The tribulation is the 70th week of Daniel which is about the people of Daniel. The gathering from heaven and earth is prewrath. The tribulation is over at the 6th seal with the coming of...
  5. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    That's simple. It does not show the end of the great tribulation at the end of the 6th trump. That is only something that you think. It is incorrect. The great tribulation is over at the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. Here is the proof. Rev 7 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me...
  6. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    Great. The one in the word is talking about two as the fathers of Israel were seen as the first ripe in the fig tree, at her first time. But they served other Gods and would not be the first harvest. Hos 9 10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in...
  7. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    I'll repost the exact question. Ok, I'm ready. Can you explain what is going in Rev 14 when Jesus comes? How does that fit in the end times timeline? I'll go ahead and post the verses to try and eliminate your confusion. Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the...
  8. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    Thank you brother. Thank you for the opportunity to will tell you what I believe. I believe that we don't need to make things up to understand what is written. In fact as soon as you start making things up you are in confusion. You just need to read what it says and make sound logical decisions...
  9. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    Ok, I'm ready. Can you explain what is going in Rev 14 when Jesus comes? How does that fit in the end times timeline?
  10. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    Man. You couldn't have made this up yourself, could you? Is this something some Church is teaching, cause this is a new one to me. I don't get any of this when I read the Word. This is quite a story. The great tribulation is the 5th seal. The great tribulation is over with the coming of...
  11. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    This was your response to my post. "I believe your view is so off base and convoluted that it makes it impossible for us to have a fruitful discussion. So, I don't have any more to say to you about this at this point." You don't think you can have fruitful discussion because you think I am so...
  12. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    The fact is, you have no clue. The coming of Jesus in Rev 14 is like nuclear bomb going off in your timeline. Your timeline does not work, and instead of admitting your total failure you just ignore the question and hope it goes away. When you are ready to be serious and search for the truth...
  13. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    And yet you still refuse to answer what this is...BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. Rev 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple...
  14. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    Yes, this is the tribulation in Rev 13. The FACT is you don't know the difference between the tribulation and the wrath of God. The events in Rev 13 and 14 occur during the seals. If you were able to comprehend when the 7th trumpet sounds the mystery of God is finished. The kingdoms of this...
  15. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    This is all the proof necessary to show that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Matt 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be...
  16. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    Yeah. That's what you would think wouldn't you. However, we can prove that is not the case with simple logic. All you need to understand is that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our...
  17. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    It was my point, but I did not say that the 144,000 leave at the 6th seal. I am saying that the 144,000 leave BEFORE the 6th seal. We can prove that by the 5th seal being the great tribulation. Then if we realize that the last trump is the end of Gods wrath and Rev 14 takes place in the seals we...
  18. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    You are confusing me with ewq1938. I realize that the 7th seal has to be opened for the trumpets to begin sounding. So I realize that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the trumpets to be the same as the seals. Why ewq1938 can't grasp that FACT is unknown to me. No. The seven trumpets blown by angels are for...
  19. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    No. The seals are the 70th week of Daniel. When the fullness of the Gentiles comes in it will be like the days of Noah where Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. When the Lord comes for the gathering from heaven and earth at the 6th seal, it will be like the days of Lot. The seals have...
  20. The Light

    The soon coming rapture?

    Let me simplify it for you. If you think that you have replaced Israel you better study a lot more. Someone has sold you a bag with a hole in it.