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It shows you that the Church is in heaven before the seals are open. The Church is not on earth for the tribulation. Correct. But I don't think you understand that that coming occurs at the 6th seal BEFORE the wrath of God begins. The 1st trumpet is the beginning of wrath and the 7th trumpet is...

Where is the mention of Jesus? You conveniently left that verse out. Keep reading. 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Secondly read the next chapter. Where do you think the great...

And what do you think this is. We see Jesus has returned BEFORE the wrath of God which cannot happen until the 7th seal is opened. Rev 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp...

Are you not able to comprehend that when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord that Jesus has returned and set up His kingdom? Just use common sense. What do you think is happening at the 7th trumpet. JESUS HAS RETURNED AND SET UP HIS KINGDOM. Rev 11 15 And the seventh...

It's easy to support. All you have to do is read. Who are the elders in Rev 4? Who are the kings and priests in Rev 5? I could go on and on and on. How could you possibly think that the coming of Jesus in Matt 24 is the coming of Jesus in 1 thes 4. In Matt 31 JESUS SENDS HIS ANGELS. In 1 Thes 4...

LOL. God is something else isn't He. It's like the Jews that are blinded and can't see Christ until after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Christians are blind to what is right in front of them. There is no way I can possibly explain this better than what is written in scripture. I'll hash...

Let's deal with the most important issue. Right, the son of man does not return to earth at the 6th seal, He returns to the clouds above the earth at the 6th seal and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. If you truly want to understand Revelation, all you need to do is...

EXACTLY. And yet you have the Church GOING THRU the wrath of God. The Church isn't even on earth during the tribulation, let alone the wrath of God (God's people are not appointed to wrath). We can see the Church in heaven before the seals are opened. The tribulation occurs during the first 5...

Rev 10 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. You may not understand that Armageddon is over by the time the 7th trumpet sounds, but that does not change the FACT...

Oh, its a problem. You just don't understand that it is a problem because you don't understand that Armageddon has already happened before the 7th trumpet. What do you think "the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord." means. I'll give you a hint. Use common sense, Chirst...

What you are saying cannot be true. If Jesus is coming and sets up His kingdom at the 7th trumpet which is when some of the dead are judged, WHY, OH WHY would we be caught up in the clouds. That's the 1st problem. If we are NOT APPOINTED TO WRATH, WHY, OH WHY, Do you have the Church going...

It is secret because no one will see the Lord when He comes but the believers. There will be lightning at the coming of the Son of man but He will not be visible. The Lord HIMSELF will come for His Church. This is why we are told to watch and be ready. Heb 9 28 So Christ was once offered to...

If you think that the seals are not real events that we can clearly see in Matthew 24, how could you possibly understand the rapture scriptures. Here is "A" rapture. How do this rapture fit into your timeline? What is it? You dodged the question last time.

Whoa. Hold your horses on that. It is definitely true. I have never seen the need to twist scripture, and am not aware of such. Would you please produce just one example of someone twisting scripture to prove the pretribulation rapture? All I need is ONE example of someone twisting scripture so...

Not true. I believe there will be a secret pretribulation rapture, and it will be a secret rapture. Do you think that Satan has spent so much time explaining away people disappearing because it is not going to happen? All the alien abductions. Aliens are a load of manure that the elite will...

I absolutely, totally agree with your astute opinion. We should find the real rapture in Songs. Song of Solomon 2 8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills. 9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall...

4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. You can walk around in the Church has replaced Israel blindness if you want. I'm just showing you the FACTS. Part of Israel cannot see until the...

It would help immensely if you had ears to hear and eyes to see. No problem. Here is the second rapture which occurs at the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. This occurs immediately after the tribulation and just before the wrath of God which is the trumpets. Rev 14 14 And I looked, and behold...

Hos 9 10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved. The fig tree has two harvests. Israel was...