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The problem with this view is that the book of Job shows Satan appearing before God in heaven well after his original fall. I believe this is clearly the best option because it talks about Satan having accused believers before God before being cast out and no one can accuse believers before God...

The dead in Christ were not resurrected in 70 AD and no one was caught up to meet the Lord in the air in 70 AD. So, the day of the Lord has definitely not yet happened, which means the temple of God in 2 Thess 2 is a spiritual temple no matter what you say. I'm moving on from this discussion now.

Uh huh. Don't bother being specific about anything because that would take effort and would require you to care. And you've made it clear that you don't really care about anything discussed on this forum. That's your opinion, which means nothing to me when it comes to this topic. It's possible...

Are there different types of birth pains or can more than one word be used to describe birth pains? The latter, right? I don't know what you're trying to say here. Different words can be used to describe the same thing. There are these things called synonyms. I'm not saying that what Paul said...

LOL! Yeah, who cares if you say things accurately or not. Means nothing, right? <ugh> You don't think futurists understand that Revelation 12:5 is talking about the birth of Christ and His ascension? I believe most of them do. Right. That's what I'm saying. So, the key word there is "most"...

Yes, it is. I have yet to see any preterist or premillennialist give an interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12 that makes any sense at all. Maybe you can be the first. What Paul says about it in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 confirms it as well. The reason he said that those in spiritual darkness "shall not...

You sure do talk a lot about things you don't care about. You're an interesting feller. I don't care what you or anyone else here thinks about me. You may have noticed that before. And you're basing that on what exactly? I didn't say it's a huge honkin' deal. But, if you're going to make a...

How much of the book of Revelation do you believe has been fulfilled? I would assume you understand that at least some of Revelation 2 and 3 have been fulfilled. And I'll assume you understand that Revelation 12:5 refers to the birth and ascension of Jesus Christ. How about the rest of the book...

That's an exaggeration. Obviously, there are at least a few things written about in Revelation 2 and 3 that happened in the first century to people in those first century churches. I would say that a vast majority of futurists understand that. And then Revelation 12:5 clearly refers to the...

I'm a dude, dude. What point do you think I'm missing exactly? I would never purposely miss someone's point. Why would I do that?

Here you go again just immediately dismissing a valid argument rather than addressing it. It's what you do. Birth pains are birth pains regardless of what words are used to describe them. What "scholarly work" are you looking at? Wrong. Far from it. You are very ignorant. Many people believe...

Right. And it's not just the resurrected dead who will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air when He descends from heaven, but also those who are alive and remain. There's no examples of that kind of language being used symbolically anywhere in scripture, so there's no basis for not taking it...

You don't know how to interpret scripture in context. The context of verse 9 is in relation to the Lord's patience while giving time for people to repent up until the time that Jesus fulfills the promise of His second coming and returns. That verse has absolutely nothing to do with a time period...

You are following doctrines of your active imagination.

That will happen at the judgment when Jesus returns. After they come to bow down before Jesus and confess that Jesus is Lord while giving an account of themselves (since they will see Him in His glory and it will be undeniable that He is Lord at that point), they will then be cast into the lake...

Your beliefs make a fool out of Jesus. John 4:19 The woman said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming...

Did you forget that you agreed with me that "the Lord God Almighty" refers to God the Father? Revelation 21:22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. See how the Lord God Almighty is differentiated from the Lamb in the above verse? So, read Revelation...

It doesn't say that the 7th seal contains the 7 trumpets and vials. That comes from your imagination. At the 7th trumpet the kingdom(s) of the world become the kingdom(s) of God the Father and Jesus Christ. And it signals the time for the dead to be judged and for believers to be rewarded. How...

That's not what I'm saying. Good grief. You are being evasive. What I'm saying is that we all should try to determine what the day of the Lord entails first before determining what Paul is talking about in 2 Thessalonians 2:2. Why would you have a problem with that? Why would you not think that...

Do you not have an overall external framework that you use to make sure that you don't contradict scripture? Why do you act as if it's a bad thing to have an external framework? I try to be as careful as possible to make sure that my understanding of what Jesus said doesn't contradict any other...