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weaponising scripture to flatter an ego is not my thing Jack. You call it a challenge but you also are opposed to reason and logic so how do you figure that to work?

ohh, you mean you have a tender heart that goes out to the erring children of men?

again, like I implied, you cannot understand the difference

like I said, you love that idea and would be very disappointed if it wasn't the case.

explain to me then how one who loves (has affection towards his creatures) can drown and burn his children? ....and I wonder what this text means, 'come let us reason together, though your sins be as scarlet I will make them white as snow' Isaiah 1:18

It is your version of 'everlasting fire' that is opposed Jack, not that of Jesus. Can you understand there is a difference?

sooooo, one is required to dismiss all logic and reason in favour of how one understands the bible? ....so I would ask, who's understanding? ...there are many of them.

isn't that how Satan presents himself as an angel of light?

You assume without question your understanding of the text is flawless but you cannot reconcile how loving God can do such a thing.

If killing and torture are the tools of the enemy to get conformity or to assert authority, do we really believe God would go into the enemy's tool box because he doesn't have sufficient in his own?

I can see you enjoy that Jack!

is it worse than having a God who fries people forever?

an easy solution is just admitting you insulted instead of side-stepping

@Keraz, further....so, are problems solved with violence? Doesn't violence begat more violence? I'm sure God is onto that. If God were to 'solve' problems with force (violence) the whole watching Universe would not be open and free, definitely not spontaneous and joyful; there would always be...

I'm reading the text you've quoted and looking at the highlighted sections but still am wondering what your angle is. Does the quoted text require questioning?.....what is it specifically you are asking?.......Ohhh, and what is the 'heresy' doctrine ?

God created us to love and serve us but we have it the other way around. Here is another text where Jesus tells us he will serve us. Luke 12:37 37'Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit...

Human leadership thinks problems are solved with violence. I makes no difference which leadership it is, including Israel

Consider what a beast is. If you were to say 'that person is a beast' what images come up in your mind or what conclusions do you draw? I find it gives me a reference point to keep me spinning off into fantasy land when it comes to this stuff. The line drawn in the sand has a beast on one side...

We assume the right approach is that we are to serve God. What do you think of this.....the highlighted part in vs 28? Matthew 20:24-28 And when the ten heard it, they were greatly displeased with the two brothers. 25But Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers of the...

Demonising the opposition makes anything possible. Nuclear war and even saying the Iranians don't care if millions die. I don't suppose you know any Iranians? Perhaps Jesus didn't die for them?