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Actually Bob, the first time we read of the Spirit being given, was when Jesus breathed on His disciples before He ascended to heaven. John 20:20-22 (KJV) And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. Then said Jesus...

It's really too bad how in these forums it is practically impossible to have a civil discussion. Ignorance is in the eye of the beholder! None have a will that is more powerful than God. If it were the will of God to save all man, then every human being would be saved. It is the will of...

I don't deny that Christ is the propitiation for ALL sin. Yes, His creation will be saved from the effects of death and destruction that came upon the whole of creation through sin. That still does not mean that Christ's atoning blood was shed to save humans who remain in unbelief. So when we...

The blood of Christ is the propitiation for "all" sin. But He is the Savior through His sacrificial blood only to "all" who believe. All without distinction, but not all without exception. That's why I quoted Jo 3:16. God loves His whole creation so much that He gave His Son to save, not...

That's not a proper understanding of the little word "all" used repeatedly in the Bible. Saying "all" cannot be saying "every", otherwise Paul would have written the Christ died for every human. Throughout we find the word "all" is used in making a distinction between Jew and Gentile. IOW...

All this passage says is that Christ, by His atoning blood, fulfilled all the Levitical Law required from the Old Covenant. Nowhere in Scripture shall be found the atoning work of Christ through His blood must be poured out in heaven for His work to be accomplished. That is indeed bringing...

You also seem also to fight against the fact that God reveals Himself in three. 1 John 5:7-8 (KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and...

You seem to be fighting against the fact that God can be human and still be The Divine God. The body of Jesus was baptized to bear witness that He was the Son of God. John 1:32-34 (KJV) And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon...

Like verse 24 says, God is Spirit! Spirit within Jesus, giving His physical form life! Do you deny that spirit beings can and have taken on human form? When spirit beings take a human form, are they no longer spirit beings? Or when they put off the human form they took, are they once again...

When God became a man, did He not show Himself in human form? Most professing Christians know God is immortal and cannot die. Yet the body Jesus took did indeed die! Yet God can never die. Not a hoax, Jesus as the Son of God in human form gave His physical spotless life to redeem sin, and...

I'm very aware there are many who are false among us. While we are able to judge them outward by what they say, followed by what they do. But I will let God be their Judge! Romans 10:6-7 (KJV) But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall...

Exactly! Mankind was only able to destroy the flesh of Jesus, Who is God incarnate.

How do humans kill a Spirit? He gave His life, that is His human flesh, to be a ransom for sin. But the Spirit, Who is God, which is what gave His body physical life while on earth, never died! Because the Spirit went to the Father in heaven alive. Then three days later the Spirit returned...

Sadly, this is all too true. However, it's not like we have not been warned. Scripture is replete with warnings of false prophets, antichrists, and Satan himself (just to name a few) being among the Church on this earth. Anyone can profess to being born again, claiming they have the Spirit of...

Since you refer only to Heb 7-9 to prove that the work of Christ, as atonement for sin, must be poured out in heaven before His work on earth is finished, can you point specifically to the verse or verses that prove this assumption? Btw, I am not adding to what Mary said, but you certainly seem...

Bob, when Christ died the Spirit of Christ ascended to heaven, that was not His bodily resurrection that would come three days later. After three days, through His Spirit, returned to His body, Christ was resurrected from the dead to physically show Himself alive after death. It is the spirit...

One who is born again is endowed with the Holy Spirit. Since John the Baptist was endowed with the Holy Spirit from birth, from birth he was physically born, but from the womb he was born again. John is now in the Kingdom of heaven with the Lord as a living (spirit) soul. Yes, he will be...

Sorry Bob, you seem to be putting words in my mouth, because Jesus IS God, Who is Spirit becoming in form fully human. God had to become human, because it was Adam & Eve who were human beings who disobeyed the Creator and brought sin and death into the world. Therefore, according to Scripture...

You seem to be implying that I have made up extra biblical stuff, after you saying "Mary was forbidden to touch Jesus because He had not finished preforming His high priestly duty of pouring His blood on the mercy seat in heaven"??? How do you prove this from the Word of God? I know of no...

We strongly Disagree has no merit. The resurrection life we must have part in is through Christ. Salvation is the gift of eternal life for those who were spiritually dead in trespasses and sins, who were made alive/quickened/brought to life through the Gospel and power of His Spirit. You can...