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  1. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    The Old Testament is pretty large volume. Yahweh spoke to people and the prophets were speaking. Plenty of time for Yahweh to speak of the Devil to people and plenty of time to warn them if he was a threat. They do not waist to much time in the New Testament. The association with the serpent...
  2. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Are you talking about the sons of God?
  3. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    New Testament. There is no doubt that Satan is defined as the Devil in the New Testament.....but not in the Old Testament. Does that give us an indication of when the fall of the angels occurred? Did the fall of the angels occur between the testaments?
  4. Grailhunter

    The Trinity! Is it found in the old testament?

    I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other, Isaiah 45:5-6 You say that Yahweh lied..... Before...
  5. Grailhunter

    The Trinity! Is it found in the old testament?

    So many errors. There are over a hundred scriptures that prove the 3 in 1 formula for the Trinity wrong. And it was the spirit of God above the waters.... The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the...
  6. Grailhunter

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    The scriptures define it as a eternal fiery torment. The Old Testament did not include a belief in Hell or the Devil so the Jews did not and do not believe in Hell or the Devil A place of eternal fiery torment was new information in the New Testament so there was not a word for it, that is why...
  7. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Changing things through the translational process. 1. You have to be careful of Hebrew names, they can mean literal things. 2. If people want things bad enough to be in the Bible they will put them there in the translational process. As far as the devil in the Old Testament, there is a reason...
  8. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Long story… You shall not take the name Yahweh your God in vain, for Yahweh will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain. From this the Israelites/Jews eventually came to believe that Yahweh did not want His name spoken by anyone. So that went to this… You shall not take the name...
  9. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Paleo-Hebrew----Yahweh----Hebrew letters Classical-Hebrew----YHWH----Hebrew letters Septuagint LXX----kurios---Greek English----Lord Read right to left no spaces---One continuous word. Yahweh’s name removed 6,800 times.
  10. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    For the co-existant folks it would have been good if Yahweh said in the Old Testament …..Except for Yeshua I am the only God and there is no other like me. But he gave no exceptions and in fact said that He created everything. Now Yahweh AND Yeshua AND the Holy Spirits are full fledged Gods...
  11. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Well GodGrace it looks like we only disagee on a couple things. That is perfectly fine. God Bless.
  12. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Conceived is not created, the word conceived is used not created. If He was not conceived He was not the Son of God. Born is not created....And no biblical explanation for the pre-existing Yeshua forming Himself as a fetus and Scotty beaming Him into Miriam's worm. And then you have the...
  13. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Known as the Son of God not the Son of the Holy Spirit. Or if 3 in 1 Son of Themselves? I am not saying the Holy Spirit was not involved......just wonder how. You are right the New Testament does teach that, but the Old Testament does not. Yahweh did all the creating and according to Him there...
  14. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Born is not created....And no biblical explanation for the pre-existing Yeshua forming Himself as a fetus and Scotty beaming Him into Miriam's worm. And then you have the perpetual virgin thing where Scotty beams Him in her womb and out of her womb. The Bible does not explain anything like that...
  15. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    There is no way to harmonize this with the Old Testament. No way to get out of picking one or the other. In the Old Testament Yahweh created everything and He said He created everything and He repeated said He was the only God and there was no other like Him. Taking creation away from the Father...
  16. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    That is OK, old habits dies hard.....so do false beliefs.....I am not mad at you for not believing me. This one has its own life because it is not biblical......They are named in the Bible.....How clearer does it need to be? Over a hundred scriptures prove the one God formula wrong hands down...
  17. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Yahweh does a lot of threating and violence in the Old Testament but I do not see the words Satan or devil in these scriptures.
  18. Grailhunter

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Again this is a full story and pulling a one liner out of context no way point to the Messiah. But this is all they have because there is not a full description of how Yeshua was or his ministry in the Old Testament so they resort to pulling one liners out of context and suggest it is a...