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Who said anything about Calvin's name being written? Let's not be needlessly contentious, shall we? Telling people what they mean instead of taking it at face value. I'm not looking to trip anyone up. I just want to avoid the endless droning that goes on in these predestination/free will...

Uh, no, I'm simply saying that if you want to be convincing, "Read my lips" might not be your best lead-in. As far as "free will" goes: Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, OR of obedience unto...

If you want a meaningful response, don't use straw men. :)

Felt fine all along, thanks. :)

@JunChosen BTW, the last time someone (George H.W. Bush) famously uttered the words: "Read my lips," the words "No new taxes" followed, which ended up being a lie.

So you advocate staunch Calvinism? Is that it?

What else would a perfect yardstick be? You used the term. What a bore. Pardon me while I slip into a coma. Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:48) Let's just call it a day. :rolleyes:

Well, it's clear that one or both of us is engaged in sarcasm.

Only when you twist my words.

Christ said thousands of other perfect things. What makes this perfect thing more of a yardstick than other perfect sayings aside from your say-so?

No, I'm saying for every 9 people you ask "what is the yardstick?" you'll get 11 different answers and that's problematic.

I just can't help but ask: Why must you call people names? And what does Romans 2:13 mean?

An idea of a yardstick does not a yardstick make. :)

What happened to your cute little avatar? :D

Calling another's salvation into question is strictly against forum rules. :(

So our salvation depends on our sincerity at the time we said the sinner's prayer. Bunk. No assurance at all. What's the yardstick for "really saved?" How do we know? Where is the assurance?

Straw man. God exclaims that He changes not in juxtaposition to the nature of fallen humanity, who change with the seasons. Otherwise, there would no point in His declaring it. We change. Some of us walk away from Him. Spiritualizing real issues is dangerous. "God is not mocked." Yet, fools...

No, I never knew that. I never read the Bible. That's why I like to hang out here. :rolleyes:

Why is it so easy for people like you to condemn other people's understanding of subjects that might not be so simple as you think? The best counterfeit is the one that looks most like the genuine.

Nice of you to say so, and I guess you know how I feel about your discernment. I'm just bummed out because my father-in-law wrecked his family and made shipwreck of his faith a few days ago.