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  1. Brakelite

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Your declaration that the word "arche" doesn't mean initiator or beginner is absolute nonsense. Why do trinitarians get offended when told begotten means created? I don't know, not being your average trinitarian. But I can hazard a guess. Perhaps because your proposal, like the "arche"...
  2. Brakelite

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    KJV 1 John 4:2-3 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it...
  3. Brakelite

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    True, but it does make him man.
  4. Brakelite

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    I agree with almost everything you've said above, the Michael part included. But here... In contradistinction to your statement above, the very fact that Jesus is, as you also concur with, the Son of God, is the greatest testament and affirmation of His deity of anything else in scripture. He...
  5. Brakelite

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Won't try to contradict that verse. But you seem to have forgotten, that one God, the Father, had a Son. And not once have any of you attempted to identify who that Son was before the incarnation. Except Jane. Some say he didn't exist before the incarnation, but have to deny all the scriptures...
  6. Brakelite

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    The seas that the first beast arises from is symbolic for peoples, nations, tribes and tongues, yes. KJV Revelation 17:1, 15 1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore...
  7. Brakelite

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    That sounds just like them yes. This fella isn't a run of the mill back street preacher... He echoes a movement in America and is exactly why I believe America is in big trouble...
  8. Brakelite

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    He asked for a verse. Is there one verse that explains the way of salvation? Is there one verse that reveals the relationship of Christ to His Father? He asked for one verse. I have him 30. And by the way, I'm not defending Trinitarianism. I'm defending Christ's deity.
  9. Brakelite

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    What I said. Exactly. Jesus. LORD. As His Son, He inherited His Father's name... Character. I think you posted on this some time ago. Name reflects character. Are you suggesting the Son, the express image of the Father, was not of the same character and therefore not worthy of the same name...
  10. Brakelite

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Jesus said no-one has seen God at any time. Mortal man cannot look upon God and live. That is why after the fall, there was needed a Mediator. Thus... The Son. The word of God. Intercessor. Mediator. Priest. God's spokesman. He walked and talked with Adam and Eve. With Manoah. Moses. But even...
  11. Brakelite

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    He asked for scripture to back up my beliefs. I told him he should read Philippians 2. He said Nuh, no need to. On that basis I figured he must be relying on his own infinite wisdom to understand the nature of God, and suggested he read the rest of scripture as well in order to understand and...
  12. Brakelite

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    It's called Christian dominionism. The evangelical right, which incorporates most if not all of pentecostal churches, of seeking to put Christians into power. Political power, and pass legislation in harmony with their understanding of scripture. This is a mirror image of the Papacy of the dark...
  13. Brakelite

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    He had a Son who became a man. God said His Son is God. God begotten. You don't have to understand it. You don't have to explain it. You don't have to understand the mechanics of how God had a Son... But He did. And scripture is clear that He sent this Son to die. He couldn't die unless He...
  14. Brakelite

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    I don't, and if you know anything of Adventist eschayology, you would understand that indeed, as you said above, beasts are political entities... Empires, nations, kingdoms. The difference with this particular beast is it has names of blasphemy upon it's heads. Just as the little horn of Daniel...
  15. Brakelite

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Yet the apostle John wrote, KJV 1 John 1:1-3 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew...
  16. Brakelite

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Not only Philippians, but all of scripture until you know Jesus.
  17. Brakelite

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    KJV Hebrews 1:8-10 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10...
  18. Brakelite

    Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

    Okay. Excellent. I assume there's a reason you pointed this out?
  19. Brakelite

    "Church pastors" where are you???

    If you crash into a pregnant woman and kill her, are you not charged with the deaths of two people?
  20. Brakelite

    "Church pastors" where are you???

    That explains a lot.