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what a muddled understanding!

I should add, mans deliberate sustained choice......just like Lucifer, a deliberate sustained choice......as in Jesus' accusers emphatic attitude of 'we will not have this man rule over us'.......to the point of killing their Creator.

Here is a copy and paste of my question in post #59 'Isn't 'us' separated from God quite different to God separated from us? I guess that begs the question what is wrath, in particular, God's wrath? Do you think the scripture might explain it?' Paul explains God Wrath in Romans...

Did you take the blue pill strepho?

calling black white and white black has ever been the practice of those desirous of self glorification. :)

Your web spinning enables you to interpret anything anyway that takes your fancy. I'm glad gravity is more stable than that! :)

haha.....ahhh, perceptions! :)

has anyone seen my friend, quietthinker? :( Hello there loved one.....just come across your thread....nearly four months after its posting......keep your chin up and your feet on the ground :)

hey, you're perceptive Jay.....in fact, the bush has gone to me, it surrounds me like sometimes a warm blanket, sometimes a wet blanket and sometimes a wild blanket :)

your quote by Chesterton, "Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions." - G.K. Chesterton' .....I suppose this describes the long suffering of God.

Sorry Ronald, you haven't heard the question.

What Does The Bible Say About Gambling??? Thou shalt not covet.....but who really wants to know when it's inconvenient?

You have spun such a web BOL you have caught yourself in it! :)

my mocking tools Ronald are aimed at your many presumptions...... nothing more :)

Interesting how you attempt to draw my conclusions for me, but I'll leave you with your assumed bullet proof explanations

I could recommend 'The Desire of Ages' It's on the life of Jesus. I think you can get it free electronically online

This question, What did Jesus die to save us from? forms part of a couplet. The other part is 'what is God really like?'......a question the whole Universe is curious about. Everything God ever wanted he called into existence with a word so there was no way the created order could even tell...

Not pointless at all. In fact, these question/s is/are at the very heart of our attempts to join the dots well. Don't sincerely ask them and one maintains a shrunken view......even a distortion.

lol, no I'm not uncomfortable SteVen and it's good to answer in a public forum ....and I'm not SDA, however that said, I do believe in the return of Jesus aka the second advent and I do consider all Ten Commandments worthy of our attention, consideration and practice....sooooo, what does that...

it is.