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as usual Protestant fundamentalists have no answers only spiritual blindness scales acts 9:4 More like faux Protestant Evangelicals :) WHAT IS YOUR HURRY, PEOPLE? What, indeed, is your hurry?

But I totally agree with you here. I don't see how I could be in error in this case. All cheap grace peddlers claim that any talk of obedience to God is a sure sign of legalism. It really gets old. Like a broken record. Not a word of what sin cost Jesus from any of you. Every time we sin we add...

But Jesus is.

I know you weren't addressing me but for the record, I don't believe that at all. If that were the case, none of us would have any hope, obviously. :)

Actually, anyone can do just that if they want to. Just sayin'.

Thanks for the heads up. What would I do without you?

I guess it's a good thing I don't believe my works will save me, eh? Strawman. Nerve. That's rich. What's to answer? All you do is toss false accusations and malign people. Buzz off, Trollster. I didn't pull your chain.

As long as you 86 the Bible, yeah. Christ didn't undergo legal (white throne) judgment at the cross, only executive judgment (punishment).

Speaking of lines that are getting old... The Bible says that we must be perfect. That is indisputable. What you take that to mean is your prerogative. But something must be done with it. Christ didn't even do sins of omission. It's clear to me that he was/is of a different "sphere" than...

I don't know. I don't doubt your experience one bit, but I've met so many model Christians who struggled for years to become fully consecrated. I couldn't agree with you more that we MUST be born again, though. And that's no afterthought. Same with freedom from sin in this life. But then you...

When did this happen? I need to see that.

Don't run off, AR, you bring a fresh outlook to the discussion. We all need to learn to disagree without hard feelings and you can help us. We need your sword to sharpen our own. We also must avoid the influence of political correctness that makes us assume we are being attacked when we are...

I guess you could say I'm a firm believer in progressive revelation. But perhaps not according to just any definition thereof.

Well, I'm also firmly seated in the "God meets people where they are" camp. I hope we all recognize that God never actually condoned slavery (I could explain my theory on that at a later time). I tend to think that God has a perfect will that has been interrupted by sin, and He is therefore...

Thank you for making that so clear. It explains a lot (of good stuff, of course). :)

When did this happen? I need to see that. :D Doesn't seem quite conclusive. For the record (although I realize it has been presented in quotes), I do not believe in luck whatsoever. :)

Never said Luther didn't understand the Gospel, but the reformation has been a process, and Luther was only near the beginning. Later reformers understood it better. Underwear and cursing. Discussions with you are so edifying. :rolleyes: This is a double-edged sword or a paradox, at least...

Do you see here how you've completely avoided the "Influence People" side of the question and honed in on the cheap "I don't need any new friends" defense and even pointed out the fact that your salvation is joyfully intact, as if someone had suggested otherwise?

Disgusting

Oh, for a miracle... I hate to be unduly flattering here but you've really outdone yourself here, JBF. The god of the (justification-only) half-gospel is infinitely too small. I want all of the good news! So, what do we do with this? For this is the will of God, even your sanctification (1...