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The reader can see for themselves the constant and going avoidance of pretribbers on Bible discussion forums. That is why it is crumbling.

LOL. That sums up the Pretrib position. That is it in a nutshell. That is the classic Pretrib response when they are confronted with real Scripture and their theories are refuted. It is impossible to engage. That have nothing to bring to the table. This might explain why so many people are...

No insults, and no, you have yet to show or discuss one single Pretrib passage. That is because it does not exist. I suspect you know that, thus your reluctance to do so.

How about giving us clear Scripture to show this? Where in Scripture does it say, "there will be believers who get left behind, that wasn't chosen as a Bride, but they are still saved"? You cannot even prove there is a tribulation period after the second coming. When Jesus comes, He rescues all...

So, is it wrong (now) to ask you to bring hard Scripture to the table?

There are 2 princes in Daniel 9 (in my opinion): (1) Christ the Messiah, and (2) a prince that would oversee the destruction of Jerusalem. Q. Who are “the people of the prince that shall come”? A. The Roman soldiers. The 2nd prince who was responsible for the destruction of the temple and the...

Not so. You have showed you are bereft of any convincing Scripture. If you had it you would be quick to give it. But you do not. That is why you cannot.

It is hard to believe that you are so fixated with a doctrine you cannot even prove. You have been given multiple opportunities and you are unable to provide one single prooftext. That is startling. You do no seem to need the inspired text to support what you have been taught. Sad! Yet you still...

He is totally contradicting the actual wording, context and supporting NT teaching from Christ. Is he a Premil?

Exactly bro!

You are describing yourself. Are they then the firstfruits or last-fruits of the harvest of God that began 2000?

Not true. I take them as the firstfruits (the early church move in Israel). You take them as the last fruits. This is another reason to reject Pretrib. You are obviously running out of arguments. You cannot even give us one single prooftext that supports your religious theory.

Yes! It is all extra-biblical theories, fabricated types, and foolish man-made speculations.

LOL. You are continually ignoring the biblical evidence and leaning upon what you have been taught. You keep repeating Pretrib talking points that cannot be proved. That is why you resort to faultily and silliness. I was Pretrib (like many here) and realized it had no biblical basis. Your...

Exactly, they are rewriting history and avoiding teh obvious. To accept the historic reality, and the inspired teaching, would render Pretrib redundant.

Exactly! They make it up as they go. Notably, they have not been able to present one single prooftext yet. That is because it does not exist. They are chasing their tails.

Pretribbers do not typically exegete the text. They cannot. To do so would force then to acknowledge they are wrong. They rather force what they have been taught upon it. This is a classic case. You duck around the counter-arguments because there is no rebuttal for them. The reader can see this...

More avoidance of the obvious and more twisting of the text. My last post refutes everything you have said here. You are ducking around the biblical text in prefernce to what you have been taught. That is Pretrib in a nutshell. It has to be taught. It cannot be gleaned from an impartial study of...

OK. I will take one text at a time. Please stick to it. Let us see which doctrine is based on the sacred text and which relates to what they have been taught. Jesus said in Luke 17:24-34: “For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under...