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1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:7 says: “For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden [Gr. aifnídios meaning suddenly] destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not...

Yes and yes. I do not own the name Calvinist. I cannot put man's name to biblical truth.

A spiritual corpse can in no way respond to God, understand God, please God or offer Him anything meritorious. He needs God to come to him and breath life and strength into him.

The opposite is the truth. You and your buddies are like triplets. You act identical. All you can do is avoid and insult. I was willing to look at your rapture verses 1 by 1 but you have brought nothing to the table. That speaks volumes. That says it all. The offer still stands.

I believe there is physical resurrection and I believe there a spiritual resurrection. Both are found throughout the Word.

How can a corpse live? How can a blind man see? How can a deaf man hear? How can an unregenerate man exercise "saving faith"? Why did God choose Israel in the OT and not Egypt or the Persians? Why did He choose Paul the apostle in the New Testament and not Pilate? Why did He choose you and me...

God preserves His elect in the midst of judgments. The Hebrews were protected in the Old Testament. Exodus 6:6 teaches: “Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will...

This sums up the nature and depth of theological exegesis that we are getting from Pretribbers here. Lots of noise with zero substance. We are yet to be confronted with one single proof text for your beliefs. I wonder why? It doesn't exist. Sorry, it is found in 2 Imagination 3:2! It is all fizz...

You quoted this direct from Strong's Greek: 1537. ἐκ (ek or ex) -- from, from out of presenting this as if you worded this. You never give the site credit. This is plagiarism. This exposes your own character and how bereft you are of any rebuttal. Why am i not surprised. You have run out of...

More lies. That is all you have!

You do not seem to have any grasp of the difference between the tribulation of God's saints and the wrath of God upon the wicked. To you they are synonymous. Talk about theological naivety. This is just one of numerous issues that expose the folly of Pretrib. The wrath of God is not something...

We have, and you could not refute. The reader can see your avoidance and the impotence of your position. Checkmate a long time ago. It is a dead doctrine. It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial.

Can you show us one single Scripture that describes (1) a rapture of the Church, (2) immediately followed by a literal seven-year tribulation, (3) immediately followed by a further coming of Christ?

You don't get it do you? There is an absolutely nothing in this passage supports your invented Pretrib theory. You know what. That is why you cannot quote it. Do you not realize that this was an actual real promise that was given to a literal church 2000 years ago relating to an impending...

Agreed, but it is worse: they cannot address, exegete or refute anything the is presented to them. All they can do is present evasive, insulting and erroneous soundbites. Look back on this thread. They have nothing of actual evidential biblical weight to challenge us with.

What has this to do with some man-made Pretrib rapture?

Says the guy who has been desperately ducking around my rebuttal because he cannot refute any of it. Constant avoidance and ad hominem is all you have.

Hello! They were kept from the widespread persecution 2000 years ago as God promised. Do you think they were raptured then? Whatever way you look at Pretrib it is nonsensical.

Have a look at the parallel usage instead of constantly ducking around the biblical evidence. Jesus testifies to how it works: "keep [Gr. tēreō] them from [Gr. ek] the evil.” This did not indicate (in any way) removal from the earth. Unless you believe there was a physical rapture of the...

Not so. This is my own study. More avoiding. This is the Pretrib MO. This is all you have. The avoided totally exposes your doctrine.