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The whole killing thing, whether it be animals or man in order for God to forgive doesn't sit comfortably with me. I can forgive without a payment so surely God can. I think the incarnation is a statement of God's love for the world.....and we murdered him.......and he knew we would but he came...

Could it be that when it comes to judgement it is us judging God? Judging whether he is worthy of our allegiance ......because as I see it, the text 'for God SO loved the World he gave his only Son......' tells me that God's judgement is in our favour

so, works?

I'd like to comment further.....and yes, you are right I do have an agenda and that is to speak well of God, which I might add, the OT is not always prone to do...and Jesus had to straighten the perception of the readers out 'you have heard said...but I say unto you....' and yes, your quotes...

Charlie, the Word of God is Jesus, John tells us that. Jesus is the one who represents God fully and accurately. The written word of God (the scriptures) requires us to understand it in its context. For example David writes about bathing his feet in his enemies blood and hoping God would break...

Is God demanding as you assume? Does God give a gift and then require reciprocation and if one doesn't reciprocate he kills you?....that's hardly a gift! This view, which is held by the majority of the Christian Church at large I would suggest is Satan painting God with his own characteristics...

We assume God's wrath to be a certain way, a way which reflects our own hateful inclinations. Romans 1:18-32 defines God's wrath in a way we least expect....it says 'he gave them over'....yes, read it again, 'he gave them over' .....in other words, he left them to the choices they loved.....and...

yes yes, I know it says this.....but what paradigm do we use to understand what is being said? It seems the glory of the presence of the Lord is harmless to those who he comes to get yet the same glory harms those who don't want to know him. How can this be? Rev. 6:12-17 paints a similar...

However, holding a contradictory idea simultaneously appears to be no problems for many.......and so God's character is misrepresented to the World. Is it any wonder they give him a wide berth?

As you wish. .....and by the way, it's not about ignoring it, it's about understanding it.

In the first part the context is past tense, in the second, the deceptions are more about substitution ie, substituting all manner of teaching in place of the Gospel of which Paul said he is determined to know nothing but.

Is God schizophrenic? ....in that he makes lakes of fire to destroy and simultaneously says he loves to the point of giving his life?

The lake of fire is not God's doing because it's not his nature. Jesus demonstrated God's nature.

The thing is Charlie, your premise is wanting yet you know it not.....and how does one share a pearl that one suspects will be trampled in the mud?

Hello poorlostapostate......I trust this presentation will answer your hurt. https://www.rediscoveringgod.ca/post/what-it-means-to-believe-in-jesus

If you want to split technical hairs to uphold a particular view it will never end and your view becomes the measure of truth, not the scripture or the utterances of Jesus.

Matthew 8:11.... 'But I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and west and shall sit down at the table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven'

It's a good thing you have a Saviour.....without him, there is no hope at all. You have been bitten by one of those serpents in the wilderness.....continue look to him who will save......and if your curiosity is aroused, check out the podcasts mentioned in my signature.

You've got quiet a story going there Keraz and as I said earlier, your ongoing posts confirm to me that your gospel is your eschatology. Have you considered this text in the light of what you propagate? 2 Corinthians 1:19-20 'For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by...

yes, they do as are Issac and Jacob etc.