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@Eternally Grateful The Historical and "Scriptural Basis For Eternal Security The doctrine of eternal security is generally attributed to John Calvin, whose followers are called Calvinists or members of the Reformed tradition. But even Calvinists acknowledge that much of their doctrine...

@ElectedbyHim Now this "if is an "if and only if. The promise is that you will never fall and you will receive a rich welcome if and only if "you do these things. This rules out the possibility that you will never fall and you will receive a rich welcome without doing "these things. It must be...

Oh. This is sweet. Matthews seems much better: Why Eternal Security Is Not a Biblical Doctrine By Philip A. Matthews Eternal Security is the doctrine that simply states, "Once saved, always saved (OSAS). This doctrine teaches that once a person has been born again by trusting in Jesus as his...

YES. This is what I'm claiming. If you can show scripture in the NT that states that a person cannot lose their salvation... you should post it. Why not? It seems to be an important topic. Are you not sure? I don't respond well to dumb statements.

I said POST SOME PROOF. I don't really care what RUDENSTEIN thinks. Is he friends with Bart? I MEAN post some proof...you know...like HISTORY... Historical proof. Thanks.

The above is a rather silly statement. Jesus proved He was God and actually said so. If you wanted to have a serious discussion...I'd be willing. but you're not and, anyway, this topic SHOULD NOT EVEN BE ALLOWED TO BE DISCUSSED on a Christian Forum. BECAUSE... if it's a Christian forum... the...

Prove it dear sir.

Why do I have to label everyone? Easy. Catholics have a specific belief system. Universalists have a specific belief system. Calvinists have a specific belief system. Yes. I like to know to whom I'm speaking. If I know your belief system,,,I understand your posts better. Why? Are you ashamed...

Do you understand Christianity AT ALL????? Let's try the question again: (my post 93) HOW COULD A BELIEVER BE LOST? You'd have to know what A BELIEVER is....that would be helpful.

I'm fully assured of my salvation. Why do those that believe as you do ask such silly questions? OSAS is NOT taught in the NT. Or anywhere in the bible. What position am I in? Ha! What if YOU are?? Paschal's wager. I'm 100% secure. Calvinists are not. Do I need to post Book 3, Chapter 24...

This is what I said in post 192: And your motives are not good. I DID NOT say his intentions were bad. I'm sure he has good intentions, although, as I stated, good intentions won't get you a degree...only studying will. I replied to this and explained what I meant in my post no. 204 Accuracy...

MA, I've posted your verses many times. AND there are plenty more! We can't post every verse every time. But it's very easy to prove what the NT teaches. All we have to do is read the verse and not add any ideas to it.

Agreed. I agree with your first sentences. But as to your last sentences... are you saying Jesus was wrong in Luke 8:13? Was it not HE that stated that some BELIEVED FOR A WHILE? Isn't BELIEF what makes one be saved? ANY belief is belief. Some is temporary. What Paul is speaking of in your...

IF is a confirmation? IF I go to school means that I'm going to school????? IF INDEED means that it's a maybe yes or a maybe no? Proof again that a person reads scripture according to HIS BELIEF SYSTEM NOT according to what the NT teaches. IF INDEED WE CONTINUE IN THE FAITH. means exactly...

1. I don't know any Christian that believes we could be saved by works. 2. Paul is speaking about THE LAW.....he is NOT speaking about doing good works/deeds, which is what Jesus spoke about. Your posts speak as if we are not REQUIRED to do good works/deeds... which, indeed, we are. I was...

This is for you and @mailmandan ..... WHY do you make it a choice of grace or works? WHY do you think that those that follow Jesus will fall into legalism? Have you ever considered that it is both? Synergism. It takes two. I don't know of ANY verse in the NT that speaks of JESUS doing...

Well intentioned persons have caused much havoc in our world....now and in the past. Intentions don't really matter.... FACTS MATTER. When a person has good intentions, but brings persons AWAY from what Jesus taught... the intentions lose all importance. What IS important is bringing persons...

marks....I went back and am unable to find the post in question. I posted verses about what Jesus stated... and you responded that it's nonsense. IF you mean that my statement....whatever it was, is nonsense, well then maybe you should stop posting to me. I have a way of conversing....if you...

The other member might believe 100% that he is right... But the problem is that one of us is right and one is wrong. IF we're going to err...err on the side of safety. Jesus HIMSELF made statements showing and supporting the doctrine that OSAS is WRONG. By stating OSAS, some could take it to...

No Christian I know thinks they're saved by works. BUT Jesus DID say that our good deeds WILL BE JUDGED. You should read the entire NT..... John 5:28-29 28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who...