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Our children come from us... That makes them human. We originally came from nothing. So no, we aren't God. Jesus came from the Father. Like begets like. Law of nature. Not my law, but the Creator's.

Did anyone of us actually claim Jesus was an angel???? You telling me to validate something I never proposed. What do you mean.... Also? I don't read anything symbolically unless the text demands it. If literal doesn't cut it, then symbolism is the go to. The woman for example is not Mary...

Anyone believing catholicism has been a consistent advocate and example of godly love and compassion, always with the best interests of others in mind, and a passion for the gospel and maintaining an apostolic like church, has limited, seriously limited, perception of reality and knowledge of...

But never like 'that'. :mad:

Not exactly representing Himself as an angel per se, but then He never did in the OT either did He. He was and is always the Son of God, Michael if you wish, the Lord of hosts, the Archangel. Not a created angel as the JWs persist with, nor beginning His existence at the incarnation as most in...

LOL. No, he didn't. No, it isn't. Yes, he did.

There is a unity between Father and Son (John 17:21-23) which is evident as you well know. That unity pre-existed creation, as scripture attests to. A unity encapsulated also in 1 Cor.8:6. A relationship wherein divinity and deity is shared. This must be so, for if the Son came from any source...

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which...

He did that? Boy, did I ever come into this thread too late. I had no interest in debating or even discussing gun control. But hey, I'm a Seventh Day Adventist. And I always wanna talk about the Sabbath;) and Desmond, well, he's a hero on every level. His faith and practice (not his view on...

KJV Luke 3:22 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. KJV Mark 9:7 7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my...

KJV Acts 13:42, 44 42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them next Sunday. Sabbath. 44 And next Sunday Sabbath came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

No, not all trinitarians. I think there are likely more versions of the trinity than they're are versions of "I did it my way". :rolleyes:

You said we ought not ignore explicit texts, so how about focusing on those texts which declare, even from the Father's own lips, the Sonship of Jesus? A Sonship of the highest order. Not one of creation, not one of adoption, but a Son in the highest sense, a Son as you say, chosen, as Creator...

In as much as their writings testify to Christ for those who read them today and were a witness to those living at that time, yes, they called for the souls of those God gave them responsibility for. But they themselves are dead. Waiting the resurrection and at that time be reunited with their...

Can we discover what is truth by rejecting that which it is not?

Amen brother. Gaan die alle swartes.

The questions I'm asking J are really rhetorical. I'm hoping f2f and company will actually look at the issues and questions with some biblical literacy. I mean, I asked f2f who is the individual referenced in Genesis 18:1, the scripture names the individual, the LORD, and f2f says angel...

It is the Spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing:

And the LORD (Yehovah) appeared unto him (Abraham) in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; Who is this? Did God wear large aviator sunglasses so Abraham couldn't see His face?

Read my last posts...I do happen to disagree with you. I firmly believe Christ pre-existed Bethlehem. As Johann and I have mentioned, the Angel of the LORD is the Son. Not a created angel, but archangel... Literally head of the angels. Just a president Biden is chief of the armed forces, but it...