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.....and I would add, the Holy Spirit is ubiquitous ....striving with all people in all circumstances most are oblivious to. The very idea that the Holy Spirit can be conjured is totally foreign to the scripture. Spirits which are conjured like in the account of Saul with the witch of Endore...

Jim, you've missed my point entirely. The Spirit is not an entity which can be conjured/invoked by location/practice like that of a heathen diety. To see it as so is buying into another spirit.....one that masquerades as the Holy Spirit.

if you believe biblical history is reasonably accurate maybe you could point me to the period of the ice age?

I doubt we can tell the spirit what to do or how to do it. Jesus' conversation with Nicodemas on the matter made that clear. The invoking of spirits is readily done in pagan practices. Has the understanding of the spirit's role become so confused with pagan practices that our bearings are...

hmmmmm, 'spirit invoking'....is that what is done these days?

The verbal assent of believing in Jesus is quiet a different matter to trusting him Karl. Making all the 'right' noises hardly equates to faith. To illustrate so a misconception of what I'm saying is avoided; many debate theology....and even correctly so yet this does not equate to faith in...

Do it for yourself. Second guessing the response of others is fraught with tricky misconceptions.

The important stuff is definitely not self focus. You might reread through your reply and see where you put the focus.

I s'pose that was Jesus' commission?

with great concern for image? :)

I have read your posts.....you tell me?

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: yup, the crayons never run out!

I hope so H999......you will frolic like a young deer with no restrictions and joy will be your constant companion.

peek some more.....and keep peeking or I'll poke you with my sharp stick to keep you awake.

:)....Oi Wynona, yesterday my skin was silky, today it aint looking' that way, tomorrow it could be mirroring a well rutted drought. Maybe oils aint oils and I got sucked in again :) When the news broadcasts the death by old age of someone famous I check it out so I can see the pics....you...

hey pancy Nancy (well it rhymes o_O).....have you listened/watched the discussions in the podcasts link in my signature? Now don't be slow; lotsa good material and food for thought. Give me feedback or should I chase you around the coral?

Why the advertisements??? money money money......the driver!

could this later part of the text quoted above reach beyond the destruction of Jerusalem to the end of time?

....and who can escape advice and rules?.....it's dished out by all.

....and so the advice pours in by the bucket load!