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Maybe Vance should be running for President ! I vote for Trump....but I wish he could speak like this....

Millions? Where did that figure come from? The above doesn't make a church a cult. It just makes it wrong. (at that time). Protestants have their own problems. Man is sinful in every denomination man will ruin the church.

Oh for goodness sake! I'm outta here.

Steven.... WHERE WAS MT. SINAI? WHERE DID THE EXODUS TAKE PLACE? WHERE DID THE ISRAELITES WANDER FOR 40 YEARS? Why do you think God gave the 10 Commandments to Moses? And why does the topic of this thead keep getting changed?

this discussion should stop or you should start a new thread. I NEVER even said infants HAVE original sin. As to Adam... YOU made the comment that it was Eve that was deceived. I SAID. That what ADAM did was what caused the fall of man.... NOT what Eve did. I posted 2 verses to prove this...

Oh. I see. You're changing the topic again. Time for my milk and cookies.

When Jesus said: YOU HAVE HEARD IT SAID.... He was treating the law as heresy? My good man. You need to go back and begin studying Christianity FROM THE VERY FIRST LESSON. I take nothing personally. It's just that I dislike debating whether or not water is wet. This is NOT a debatable subject...

Steven, we're not discussing THE LAW here... We WERE discussing: 1. Did Jesus teach/speak of the commandments. TO WHICH YOU BEGAN BY STATING THE NEGATIVE. 2. Did Jesus obey the Sabbath. TO WHICH YOU BEGAN BY STATING THE NEGATIVE.

Who said it was introduced before the Exodus? Do you even read my posts? Bye.

Kind of takes the edge off of the Johnstown tragedy.

I don't know what the above has to do with your statement that Jesus did not teach the commandments and that He did not keep the Sabbath. Anyway, Nuff of this for me.

But he was RESPONSIBLE. I'd say that's much worse. Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. I would...

LOL What's worse?! Adam made humanity fall... NOT EVE.

No. The Pharisees ADDED requirements to the Sabbath. The Sabbath was given by God at Mt. Sinai because the Israelites were enslaved for almost 400 years and had forgotten was civilized life was like. They forgot about what REST is. YOU stated that Jesus did NOT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS or did not...

You can have the last word.

Almost there. Jesus broke the Sabbath because the Pharisees were making it a burden. Because they were too strict about what could be done on the Sabbath. Because the prohibitions of the Pharisees were unbiblical. Jesus taught that: Life could be saved even on the Sabbath. Thou shalt not kill...

I don't slog it out. You may not have noticed, but I stop arguing after a while. The only reason it went on for so long with you is because I thought you were asking honest questions. I'm disappointed at myself - I usually can tell the difference. Nuff said.

I'm American. Italian by birth. No reading comprehension problems.

Agreed. It was started with post 894 in reply to post 457 (neither by me).... but yes, I'm sorry I picked up on it. It's a serious topic and should not be a side-topic.

You had your kids sprinkled but not to cleanse them. Because they didn't NEED cleansing. They had committed NO SIN YET. So, let's say one of these passed away. What do you suppose God would do with that child? And this is a different topic. I don't know why it's being discussed here.