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Morning Ziggy The star of remphan usually has a circle around it. Back in the day different styles of stars were popular with a lot of religions. You can look up the Star of David, which of course is Jewish.

Ziggy The Star of David is not the star of Remphan It is sad to watch Christians dip their hands in the sewer to get things to throw at each other. Monkeys do things like that.

If only it was that simple.

It would truly be a miracle to get the Catholics and Protestants to get along......Maybe more than God can do?

LOL So what you are saying is that there was no Christian leaders, just Victor? Victor was the first? Until there was a Pope there was no leadership? He was a Bishop. Could not call him Pope because the word did not exist in that era. The earliest recorded use of the title "pope" in English...

You have to consider the source.

Yes I know that Bishop Victor ruled on this. Which was something that the "churches" of the east took note of. The disagreement was about when and how the feast of Passover should be observed....different names Resurrection Sunday and such. Of interest....Bishop Victor's response to Polycrates'...

Yeap a whole lot smarter.

Victor was the Bishop of Rome according to Christians.....a Bishop in hiding because if he would have asserted any public authority the Romans would have killed him.....That goes for any Christian leader. And I still say there was no central authority that all the Churches....congregations of...

No I am a student of history and I would say about ten times....oh shoot probably a 100 time the education than you, not to mention a whole smarter.

Again I am saying it would be obvious. And I agree in the early time period nothing that would fit the description of Pope could exist. And not only that there were Christian leaders.....but not any one man identified as a leader, making decisions that others followed.

You said the Church is indefectible.....do we see the word indefectible in these scriptures regarding the Church. Why the Jewish scriptures? Are we going to talk about a Jewish Pope or Church. And the Catholic Church is infallible! That is laughable if it was not so sad! The modern Catholic...

Of course I disagree. And I do not think it was a matter of Paul or Peter being in charge. Peter just messed up being a Cephas again. And all you have presented is folklore. You know what folklore is? It is stories that people like and they talk about it....and in this case it gave them...

Ha Ha as Tweedy bird said.....He don't know me real well...do he. Just for the fun of it, show me were the scriptures say that "the Church" is indefectible. Before you go to far down this road keep in mind we are disagreeing on Peter being a Pope....We Probably agree on a lot of other matters.

Paul didn't....explain. Galatians 2:11-21 But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him in public, because he was clearly wrong. 12 Before some men who had been sent by James arrived there, Peter had been eating with the Gentile believers. But after these men arrived, he drew back and would not...

You and I have both understand the term of endearment. Call him what you what....call him SuperPeter. But supremacy. Paul has supremacy after writing most to the New Testament. LOL

No I have brought you all the proof. I cannot copy history books into the forum and for sure it would not matter if I did......you want to live a fantasy about Peter. As I said it is either there or it is not and it is not there. No Pope for Peter in the Bible.....Great guy great contribution...

No it is all well documented history.....if you want to live in a fantasy world that is fine with me. And I do not argue reality....so have fun. No answer will make you happy unless it is fantasy. What I presented was not my opinion and I was not the source.....you have a whole world full of...

If you keep it simple it is not hard to understand. Either it is there or it is not there. Trying to make it there is where it get difficult. Some things are scriptural and some things are historical. Here while back I got on topic of wine and the Church. There are some Protestants that think...

Nose not out of joint.....not a rant.....Are you assuming that I was disagreeing with the Crusades'? To be precise I believe in The Apostles' Creed I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son Our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy...