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I am presenting the standard modern Premil view. If you read my post carefully you would note that the resurrected saints are dwelling on the millennial earth in my portrayal. That was my central point.

I responded to your every post. You know that. Why did you ignore my main response? Because it sums up the contradiction of your reasoning. I will repeat: "Hello! Think about what you are saying!!!! This demolishes your claims on the ECFs believing what you believe. This is what you believe...

I detect that this is an uncomfortable subject for you, just like the restoration of the old covenant arrangement is to most Premils, but it is what you believe. 1. Is there sin in your future millennium? 2. Are there sinners in your future millennium? 3. Are there mortals in your future...

I will take this as an admission that you recognize that Premil has no advocates for the 1st 240 years after the cross until Lactantius, who (notably) relied mainly upon the heretics for his beliefs. This has been my thesis all along. You provide no hard quotes from Justin because you have...

More avoidance. 1. Give us hard quotes of ancient Chiliasts teaching prior to AD270 that mortals exist in "the Millennial Age"? 2. Give us hard quotes of ancient Chiliasts teaching that "the glorified Church will rule over a mortal world in which sin is restrained until the very end of that...

Are the glorified saints returning to your millennial earth? Will there be countless mortal sinners on your millennial earth?

You can paper over the pagan source of Lactantius' teaching all you want but it exposes the dubious origin of ancient Premil. Apart from the heretic Cerinthus, Lactantius (c.240-340) seems to be the only early writer that held to any of the beliefs (outside of the existence of a 1,000 years)...

This is not historic evidence. Hello! This is more of your faulty bias opinions of an OT passage. Can you not see that you are totally bereft of hard evidence to support your claims? You keep applying this to some imaginary future millennium when there is no mention in the text. This is...

It is so frustrating debating with someone who has zero evidence and presents his own faulty biased opinions as the historic evidence. That is ridiculous. Notwithstanding, your tactics only serve to reinforce the thesis i have been presenting for years. It exposes your error. 1. Give us hard...

Stop avoiding the subject. Are there wicked mortal humans in your supposed future millennium? Anyway, what happens to the righteous when Jesus appears? What happens to the wicked when He appears? In Matthew 25:33 Christ (the king) sets “the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.”...

One of the main problems Premillennialism has is that it has a glorified Jesus bringing back all the redeemed of all the ages that have enjoyed perfect communion with Christ in His majestic heavenly presence since the time He defeated sin and death 2000 years ago, giving them new eternal...

Do you believe the goats refer to the godly or the ungodly?

LOL. Hello! Think about what you are saying!!!! This demolishes your claims on the ECFs believing what you believe. This is what you believe. But it was not what the ECFs believed. Why are you asking me to prove something I do not believe the ECFs believed? I never read anything more...

Very well put together video. Pity the detail that you present is not true. Nowhere does Peter teach that the day of the Lord equals a literal period of one thousand years+ and an unknown period of time after that for Satan’s little season. Premillennialists force that upon 2 Peter 3. That...

It is you that has invented this theory of theocratic nations inheriting the future earth. This can be found nowhere in the Bible. Justin doesn't teach this. None of the early Church fathers taught this. Where is your evidence? Are you close? You're so besotted with your own beliefs that you...

A lot of people forget, Christ did not only defeat sin through His sinless life, atoning death, and glorious resurrection, He also defeated death, Hades, the devil and eternal punishment. None of these therefore will hold dominion over the believer ever again. Before the resurrection the...

What are you trying to say? You are rambling here to say nothing. None of the early orthodox Church fathers (Amil or Chiliast) before AD70 believed in the Premil belief of a sin-cursed, goat-infested, death-blighted millennial age. You know that! Why are you asking me to prove that there is...

We are talking about a fresh thread that was not toxic. Marty started a thread on Tuesday at 5:04 PM and EWQ started another thread on the same subject 50 mins later on Tuesday at 5:54 PM. Sorry, but that is petty and infantile in my opinion. It was a stunt, as Christian stated. If you consider...

Justin also describes the spiritual nature of the kingdom that is approaching as spiritual and heavenly: "[W]hen you hear that we look for a kingdom, you suppose, without making inquiry, that we speak of a human kingdom; whereas we speak of that which is with God, as appears also from the...

No. It is petty and infantile and shows he has no rebuttal for the Op we are discussing.