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    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    OK, let us cut to the chase. You keep making claims like this yet you are unable to provide us with hard evidence. Until you do, we can dismiss these as your partial debatable personal opinions. When and where does Irenaeus place "the Age of Messianic Rule" in a future millennium? When and...
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    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    Unfortunately, you are forcing your modern Premil thinking on this ancient Chiliast. That is not a smart thing to do. The 2 views were completely diverse. The fact that he did not describe the imprisonment of Satan in the abyss at the second coming or his subsequent release after 1000 years is...
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    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    The first Advent was a victory for Christ and saw Satan be crushed, vanquished and trampled upon. The Lord did perform His command, being made of a woman, by both destroying our adversary, and perfecting man after the image and likeness of God. And for this reason He did not draw the means of...
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    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    Thanks for your apology. I accept it. I have no difficulty with you disagreeing with me. I have no difficulty with you attacking my hermeneutics. What i (and many other Amils) have a major issue with is your constant ad hominem. They are not prepared to ignore it any more. I am willing to move...
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    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    Fellow Chiliast, Justin also acknowledged that there were many sincere brethren among the orthodox who rejected Chiliasm. Justin asked Trypho (his Jewish opponent): Tell me, do you really admit that this place, Jerusalem, shall be rebuilt; and do you expect your people to be gathered together...
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    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    Op Note Whilst ancient and modern Amillennialists share much in common with the earliest Chiliast fathers in regard to the character of the age to come, those who inhabit it and the environment produced that follows the return of Christ, they go their separate ways with them on their view of...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No! Hebrews 8:6-13 declares: “now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant [diathēkē or covenant], which was (present tense) established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You don't seem to be learning from this experience. Are you?
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    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    Are you serious? I never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. So, did God have "no grace or mercy whatsoever" in Noah's day? Did God have "no grace or mercy whatsoever" in Sodom and Gomorrah?
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    This is blatant pride. You have skipped around multiple NT Scriptures that forbid future animal blood sacrifices, explaining it away by your faulty opinion of OT Scripture. You have nothing in the NT pages. What you have in the OT you are sheepish to use because it will be quickly blown out of...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Ok. So what exactly am I misrepresenting?
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I cannot accept that. I think that is a faulty excuse to justify the dearth of support for modern Premil in the earliest Church writings. Why do you say that when that is just one small aspect of the overall eschatological subject? In your theology, Israel maybe the focus and the return of the...
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    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    Yes, what I have read would seem to suggest that. It would just be nice to have their beliefs in writing. There is a suggestion that there was a notable abuse of the gifts of the Spirit with them. The fact their writings were destroyed en-masse indicates that they were counted a threat to...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    This is the 96th time you have cut-and-pasted this. That is ridiculous. It shows your responses are not real but robotic.
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    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    He did. The Montanist writings have all but perished, except for a few brief quotes in the early writers. Honestly, they are claimed to be Chiliasts by many but exact direct evidence is scarce. The link with Tertullian is the strongest argument, although, that (of itself) does not mean they...
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    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    Your Dispensationalist theology has been ably rebutted by several posters here but you have constantly steered around these posts.
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    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    Good questions. These are neat informed generalities. Tertullian who lived between AD 160 and AD 240 is the first Chiliast to cite the casting of Satan into the bottomless pit at the second coming, although he makes absolutely no reference to his release, resulting malevolence or influence on...
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    25 questions that prove that ancient Chiliasm was a different animal to modern Premil

    I totally agree. But is shows when someone is winging it. They have no hard facts to bring just bias opinions. It is hard to read. It is unadulterated pride.