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The above is not for me.... but I see a big error there. What do you mean by BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE?

Hi FB I'm not disagreeing with you. Just trying to change your language....:cool: James used the word JUSTIFIED BY WORKS because the words JUSTIFIED and SANCTIFIED had not been thought through when he wrote his epistle. What you're talking about is sanctification. If you don't want to change...

You can not go to a church and still love and serve God. I haven't been to church in over 2 years. But I do believe it's a good thing to do and be with other believers.... those you can feel comfortable with. I wish you luck with the Messianic congregation.

I'm protestant but I know catholic doctrine and am sorry the CC lost it's way at some point.

Last post then it's sleepy time here... Church is not an added word in the way that John meant it. Then Trinity would be an added word too. Hypostatic Union would be an added word too. and others... The bible does not follow the original manuscripts from which we get our O.T. and N.T...

Truman, Ecclesia just means an assembly...a gathering of persons, like we do when we go to church and IF we go to church. The church IS sanctified...it's the men (persons) that make up the church that cause trouble. Man has the sin nature....the church does not. See, you were nice! :)

Is this for me? I read it by chance....because you didn't tag me. First of all, try to be nice. If you can't be nice, just don't say anything. Whatever your problem may be -- and I do pray for you. So what does ecclesia mean Truman? Does it have anything to do with Hebrews 10:25? What does...

Those that believe in unconditional security (OSAS) have the belief that once a person is saved, they lose their free will. If we truly have free will in CHOOSING salvation... then we also have free will to abandon our faith. 1 Timothy 4:1 2 Peter 2:20-22 etc..... We do NOT lose our free will...

What would be purged would be MEN,,,just as you've mentioned the Pope. We cannot purge a church.... There's a difference between the church and the men that run that church. What Jesus began cannot be purged...it's His church. Any bible-believing church is the church of Jesus.

Agreed. There was a backlash even before the banning of the Latin Mass. There's been a backlash since about 2012/2013 or thereabouts. If I remember correctly, it all began with allowing remarried couples to receive communion - in circumstances when they were not formerly allowed to.

Could you please quote the verse of Jesus saying "enters into a relationship" is committing a sin?

No. Two persons living together and not having sexual relations is not sinful. It's the giving away of your body and not being married that is sinful for the Christian.

Labels can help in cutting down time to get to know what persons mean. Catholic Protestant Reformed These are labels I find to be helpful. Then there are those that do not help but divide: arminian, for instance, would be one. Who was he anyway!

hi marks,,, this is the verse you're speaking of... Colossians 3:1 1Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. 3For you have died...

I know what you're speaking of theefaith. It would be good to explain it to those that do not understand Catholicism at all. Or, maybe they don't really care at all - even though I firmly believe we should do our best to understand each other and believe that we are one in Christ.

Haven't heard from him in quite a while. I guess things change...

What do you mean when you say "YOU ARMINIANS" ? Are arminians not saved persons? Only those that believe works are not necessary are saved? First of all, I don't know who arminius is... but you might be calvinist since it's the calvinists that separate themselves from arminians. I'd like to...

Man wants to control the church. Right. This is why there's a distinction made between man and church. Even though the CC has made many mistakes throughout history, it is said that it is still a holy church. The church is holy...but not all men are. Holy just meaning that something is set...

I know what you're speaking of...but it could get confusing. Let's see if we can agree on this: Abraham heard God and responded with a YES and was at that point saved...a child of God. Genesis 15:6 Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. But he did many works...

I see what you mean. I will say, however, that God must like all good works...even if they're for the wrong reason. Don't they still help another person? I'm thinking of Matthew 25.