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LOL Do you go to my church? JK. That couldn't be possible!!

Hi Taken, I understand what you're saying about the ECFs and I'm not here to convince you to read them or pay attention to what they say or agree with it. But I have come to have a good reason to read what they believed, which is also what they taught. 1. They know much more than today's...

Thanks to @Stan B .... I had the oppty to reread my post no. 63. Boy, does it sound wrong! I didn't mean that I can't learn anything new... I meant this ONLY about Hebrews.... In the sense that nothing can convince me to change my mind that we do not know who the author is. THERE'S MUCH FOR ME...

Oh. I'm sorry. Did I give you the impression I'd ever carry on a conversation with you? MISTAKE.

bb, the word CHOOSE does not exist in the vocabulary of a die-hard calvinist. The bible also contains the words FREE WILL....this is also neglected. Philemon 14 or 1:14 but without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of...

Are you BreadofLife in disguise?

What is the trajectory? What is the end? What is the agenda?

The Early Church Fathers are COMMENTARY! Are you an adult person? No response required... maturity is not measured in years.

Peter was spot on. What's the problem? As to your book...I'm not reading it unless you send it to me. It would be pretty expensive. And do you really think I'd learn something new? Like what, for instance?

This is an excellent point because it was always believed that man had free will to choose God or not to choose God. Not until 1,500 years after Jesus died did the idea come to man that perhaps we do not have free will. So was the church wrong for all that time! The Early Theologians BELIEVED...

I know the above E, and I agree with it. Each writer wrote for a different reason,,,,but copying was going on. I also agree that they were inspired by God to write their individual gospels. But I have noticed that you're very sensitive to this...I don't really understand why. Can't you accept...

I had also heard of this letter. From Google: Third Epistle to the Corinthians - Wikipedia The actual text to the Corinthians: Interesting. 3 Corinthians

Actually, there is doubt as to the other writers of the gospels, except for Luke and John. But we can know that Paul wrote HIS epistles. It's evident they were from the same hand.... and he was a very learned man.

The Holy Spirit flows through all of scripture... starting at FOUR THOUSAND years ago.

We know that Mark was written first. Mathew copied from him. It's pretty much accepted that Hebrews is unknown although I think we all refer to Paul when mentioning that book.

LOL Don't believe all you read was a good statement!

Right E...but this is what @marks is questioning. Hebrews says some learned from man...(us). You're quoting Galatians...we KNOW Paul wrote Galatians.

Huh? All of them? I don't think so! I've never even heard of this and it would make no sense.

Are you saying Hebrews was given the stamp of approval BECAUSE the ECFs thought it was written by Paul? They approved the books to be included into the canon of the N.T. by the degree to which they held to known doctrine. Also, back at that time, there really was not much scholarly work done...

I don't know that anyone here is an expert on this...but experts have written on this. In every epistle that Paul wrote, he introduced himself.... Paul, an Apostle of Jesus...etc. Hebrews starts with: God, after He spoke long ago to the Fathers... I can't remember Paul ever speaking about the...