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All denominations live in glass houses and share the sin of demolishing the Church of Christ. 30,000 Protestant denominations. If it takes you over 30,000 attempts, did any of them understand much of anything in the beginning? It is more or less like watching someone shooting in the dark. I mean...

Wrong again. Most of what goes on in the Old Testament is regulated by the Mosaic Law. True by Christian standards some it is crude rude and disgusting, but a normative in the Old Testament, As far as worshipping other gods, quite a few examples of that. Find it. Thou shalt not have sex unless...

Not my opinion...it is a fact. Find the the frequency....anything else and it is just wishful thinking on your part. High profile marriages if they were practicing it, it would be mentioned. This thing where people impose their will over the scriptures is not even Christianity. Next thing you...

Not the point...it exists in the Bible...the point is frequency and no way to prove it. And the fact that the Bible does not require a wedding ceremony or vows....Old or New Testament. Of course the word wedding cannot appear in the Old Testament. There is no government requirement to be...

Here is some posts in this thread to catch you up....241....242....248 Well the simple answer is that, from the moment a couple lays eyes on each other....to the moment they are on their front porch sitting on twin rocking chairs watching the traffic go by and their grandchildren playing on the...

Don't care if you change your mind. That is not my ministry. Johnny Appleseed of truth. I believe in freedom of religion. All I am asking is for you to be honest with yourself and everyone else and admit you cannot find a requirement of a wedding and vows in the Bible. What good is a religion...

Beliefs...truths....facts I don't care if you belief it, just as long as you do not say it is biblical. I told you that you cannot find a requirement for a wedding ceremony in the Bible....and you know you cannot. The rest of it, if truth is important to you, you can look it up for yourself...

Close. But you are trying to suggest this was a norm....when the scriptures do not show that to be true. Then you are trying to suggest things that are nowhere to be found in the scriptures. Got to stick with the facts that are in the OT. You or I, can say traditionally this or that happened...

Lots and lots of polygamous relationships with hardly any restrictions. I am going to say they did all kinds of things, but I cannot prove it nor can you disprove they did not. Jacob would be likely to do anything, very poor character, his story demonstrates that he had little to no...

If only you could understand what is written.

I don't work on opinions. I work only on facts. The reason there are 30,000 Protestant denominations is because people form religions on misinterpretations and opinions. Religion is not about what ya like and what ya don't like.

Book of Tobit....2nd century.....I like it. I am not saying that the kiddushin and nisuin did not exist in the Old Testament. Part of it was in the Mosaic Law but also some of the stories. But the storyline and spirit of it all was that women were treated as property. Payment was received and...

Absolutely correct around the year 500 AD.....in accordance with the Talmud. Before that only some of this was observed as a tradition, that is why you do not see it occurring much in the storyline of the Old Testament. One of the highest profile marriages in the Old Testament, that being...

Because mandrakes contain deliriant hallucinogenic tropane alkaloids and the shape of their roots often resembles human figures, they have been associated with a variety of superstitious practices throughout history. They have long been used in magic rituals, and even today also in contemporary...

How many years do you think Jacob and Rachel and Leah and Zilpah and Bilhah were engaged in sexual relationships. Are you expecting the Bible to give a play by play report on sexual interactions? Not going to happen. A guy has four women, since there is no cultural or religious restrictions...

Interesting case, Jacob married into a family of witches. Were Rachel and Leah betrothed? No videos of Hebrew sexual activities or written restrictions in marital relations. And if you read on you will see that Laban gave his daughter handmaidens that eventfully became Jacob's wives or...

No again, but close. Not all women were betrothed before marriage. Betrothed is never defined in the Bible as a marriage. But it does have some legal ramification that put Christ's mother in an awkward position.

Here ya go, imaginative beliefs. In the Old Testament women were treated as property. I am not saying that they never had a choice but it definitely is not defined in tradition or the Mosaic Law. The requirement for consensual marriage even in Christianity did not occur until 1140 AD.

Show a scriptural regulation for this. In practice it would be in the Mosaic Law since even the food rations of wives are discussed. If we come up with beliefs about things that are not in the Bible, then the sky is the limit and we can really come up with an imaginative religion.

Well you are right. All due respect. It is called making love for a reason, married couples can love one another as they see fit. Like the Bible says....As a loving hind and a graceful doe, Let her breasts satisfy you at all times; Be exhilarated always with her love. And then kiss her feet in...