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  1. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    The foundation of pre-trib is changing the meaning of scripture to say something it does not say. Thus they MUST say the elect in Matt24:29 ONLY pertains to Israel. If they don't their doctrine blows up in their face. Yet, it is clear who the elect are that Jesus speaks of - crystal clear =...
  2. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    Sorry, I am not angry at anyone. Man made teaching in the Church is the problem - so yes, I agree that that it is not a salvation issue but it will cause some to stumble when the false teaching that they are trusting in falls apart. God does not want us to be confused. God is not the author of...
  3. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    For my brothers who are making this claim - "Jesus established pre-trib" Please show what scriptures - Thank You If a doctrine is of God then it is Truth - If it is of man or the devil - it is a lie, and we who trust in the Word of God and not man know this "no lie is of the truth" EXAMPLE...
  4. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    100% FALSE You are in deception - you suffer from CRT: Critical Religion Theory Ephesians 1:1-14 again burns to ashes your erroneous interpretaion of scripture that has already been VERIFIED by Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, Luke You are all alone, standing with those who trust in man, and have...
  5. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    When Jesus is speaking to the Disciples (the Church) and all those who would believe after (the Church - John 17) He has clearly stated they are His Elect = the Church / His Body / Call Out Ones / Chosen Ones Anyone who says Christ is referring to the nation Israel in Matt 24:29 is not only...
  6. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    Beware Brethren of the cunning craftiness of the serpent and how easily satan knows, better than anyone on here, the scriptures and how to, ever so slightly twist them so that a 'New' discovery or 'revelation' or 'exegesis' or 'hidden truth' is known to those who have the 'scholarly aptitude' to...
  7. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    There is no pre-trib view in scripture. The Thessolinicans were it great tribulation, suffering persecution unto death. They were hurting real bad as anyone of us would. Paul writes to encourage them concerning this 1 Thess ch1 No Pre-Trib rapture lies from Paul - PERIOD 1 Thess permanently...
  8. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    Mark, what question did you not receive an answer to? The Thessolinican Believers were under great Persecution and Tribulation as they where being put to death for their faith in Jesus. Therefore Chapter 1 of 1 Thess completely obliterates any and all pre-trib lies. Paul wrote to comfort them...
  9. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    Please allow me to share who I am - I am a nobody who is loved by Somebody who died for my sins. Saved over 30 years ago. Earnestly studied and continue to study the Word of God for His Truth and the understanding that the Holy Spirit has for each of us in Christ - IF, we are willing to let...
  10. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    Love it Mark - made me laugh - Thank You for that
  11. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    Here is the deception of pre-trib, this is the twisting of scripture and the ARROGANCE to even suggest that the Lord Jesus Christ did not know or did not intend to include those he was and is still saving as His 'Elect'. What extreme arrogance and pride as stated below. "Paul wrote that the...
  12. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    Beware of the treachery and twisting of scripture that 'some' do so that they may seem to have great understanding. The Bible is a chlidren's book written for God's children - the Elect of God. One of the many lies of pre-trib is to say that the 'elect' refers to the Jews - that is false...
  13. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    Here, once again, isirrefutable proof that obliterates the pre-trib rapture lie. Matt 24:29-31 1 Thessalonians ch 1 1 Thess ch 4 2 Timothy 2:14-19 2 Thess ch 2 Daniel 7:25 and Revelations ch 6 and ch 13 and ch 16 1 Corinthians ch 15 1 John ch 2 These scriptures and others obliterate and...
  14. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    You have devolved into religious argument and are purposely avoiding scriptural analysis from a pure heart.
  15. David in NJ

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    The difference between pre-trib and the truth is that pre-tribrs hold to a 'view' - the rest of us hold to the Scriptures that CLEARLY say 'No'. Matt 24:29-31 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..... the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven.......and He will send His angels...