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There is no contradiction in needing to come to Christ in order to abide then in Christ. We all have sinned and come short of the glory of God...so indeed all have sinned...we cannot say that any are without sin. But then we enter into Christ where we cannot sin. We are indeed dead to sin who...

Please stay off the thread I started...you are just trolling here...start a new thread and invite positional people over!

You wear pretend clothes of righteousness that you think only God is blind to. There is a story about the emperor's new clothes...like the positional platform. People are afraid to point out the emperor is buck naked. So good luck with that!

Amen! for such were we created anew in Him!

Are you saying God is blinder than we are???? Can you find ANYTHING anywhere that would suggest that? Your doctrine has spun you completely out of reality! 1Pe_3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against...

Sounds like a nice fantasy! Like Peter Pan! Just believe it and you got it...a positional holiness for a sinful believer. What a scam!!! Do you really think this will fool God...He is ALL seeing after all? Then how does water make you holy?

Under an imperfect covenant. Do you esteem Christ as as animal? Or better? So the works of the law could not present us in holiness...but the New covenant does indeed perfect us in holiness. Are you trying to support a sinful holiness...as in as sinful as God is sinful?

Are you into treating symbols as reality? Do you believe in regenerational baptism? Is there such a thing as holy water?

Holy as God is holy...perfect as God is perfect...without spot or wrinkle...whiter than snow!!!! :)

Which of course we know was the case. You know...I think I'll stay with the works of faith as opposed to the works of the law!

Bless you brother!!!! :) reps to ya!

Well as long as you don't teach this for justification you will not run afoul of the OP!!! ;)

...which in turn need to die in order to produce much fruit!

I don't think you are living in the right century! There are no more Judaizers...save perhaps the sabbath keeping crowd! But nobody would go for a physical circumcision anyway....far too painful! And the kosher laws....oy vey!!!

Just read the bible without any religious indoctrination or denominational slant and you will see that miraculous power is what the gospel is all about! The power of a new life IN Christ. What do you do with all the verses I posted? Do they not apply to you? Or maybe just left-handed plumbers...

God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. We need empowerment to be holy as God is holy....so you can call overcoming sin a religious experience if you wish...but obedience to God can only happen when we receive grace from heaven. You will never stop being the carnal man until you...

Jesus Christ is not a granter of immunity for sinning. He is an Empowerer to not sin. What Jesus did in His earthly life and sacrifice on the cross is meant to overcome the power of sin. We are then to overcome exactly as Jesus did...through the indwelling Holy Spirit. Anybody can say...see...

Like walking in the light...or some other spiritual experience...the joy of the Lord! In any case fire will come down from heaven in some form that will reward the faith that has touched God.

Those who walk according to the flesh will always sin. But we have Christ...do we not???? Rom_8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. A born again person has THIS option...to war according to the Spirit...

Should we be concerned with what you consider as abiding in Christ...or what the bible says??? 1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.