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So, let me get this straight: If I'm trusting in my works and obeying God to KEEP me saved, it is safe to say that I am not saved. If I'm trusting in FAITH ONLY and not obeying God or doing anything for Him...then I'm saved because I'm NOT doing anything and am trusting only in Him? Did I get...

Me too. Church. This will have to wait till tomorrow.

Hi GH, The devil did not exist in the O.T. the way we understand him in the N.T. In the Old he was known as God's adversary.... I can't recall any book in the O.T. that describes him as OUR enemy. As far as I can tell, the perons in the O.T. attributed everything to God...even evil. The did...

Hmmmm. I've never heard of this. What year is your friend speaking about? Ask him where he got his information.... Just curious...not that it really matters. The early church had enough problems ---- no need to add to them with Christian hating Jews! I can say that eventually the Christian...

I couldn't agree more. The original church was a good church. It kept heresies from infesting Christianity, and there were plenty of those. We could thank the CC for holding firm. Of course, as you've stated, the church strayed...the reasons are many and complicated,,,but it did happen. Man...

1. I believe that God is good because I believe in the God of the bible. I like what Jesus taught and Paul, and all the other writers of the BIBLE. NOT what some man taught...and incorrectly at that since his views were literally UNHEARD of prior to 1,500 AD. I will keep repeating...

You said I'm not saved. This is not acceptable. YOU do not know who is or isn't saved. And what do you think was settled at the Jerusalem Council? WHO on this forum ever said we're under the law? Maybe you'd like to hear from those that learned from the Apostles to see what THEY thought about...

The roots of the catholic church started after the ascension of Jesus. Peter was around way before Paul...by years. What's the problem with accepting history? Would you care to explain a little bit of history from about 27 AD to about ... I don't know ... 200 AD?

Lots of information. And this is what we should be doing....sharing. I agree with all you've said. Absolutely nothing to add except that maybe the U.S. is in the same situation these days? Not sure,,,I'm far away, but it sure sounds like it. And thanks for the falling away description...very...

Amen to that. Instead it can be the cause of one falling from their faith. Jesus spoke to this. Luke 8:13 I can also say that as we go thru some experience, we cannot see it properly. Years after we may see that it helped us in some way. And so we learn to trust God...even when we don't like...

I don't understand. I DID NOT speak of a one-world religion which seems to be where you're going. The reformation was necessary because the CC had gone so far off its original tracks...and a shame too. Men being men....the church became involved in secular affairs and this was not good for the...

I understand you.... But forget about all that. I'm talking about history. One church MUST go back to the beginning. If you think there's a break in the line of the catholic church WHERE do you think it is? I can't find it. This has nothing to do with being right or wrong..I also don't agree...

Suffering is from satan. It's a sign that he exists. We don't know why God permits it... but eventually we will find out. For now....God is our strength.

Hi F, Yes,,,this reminds me of John 6:67-68 Some discples were abandoning Jesus because of difficult teaching. 67So Jesus said to the twelve, “You do not want to go away also, do you?” 68Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. "

The CC is the only church that can trace its roots back to Peter. And I believe the Orthodox church too. This is plain simple history. The Protestant churches BROKE AWAY from the original church. (isn't ILK a nasty word?)

Thanks for replying. Two comments, no three: 1. If we're going to state that "they were never saved"...the conversation kind of ends right there. 2. You yourself have just stated that certain members of the congregation did not "continue in the faith" --- (as per John) .... What does that...

OK BoL,, We can agree on the above. Once the CC gave the title of POPE to ONLY ONE BISHOP...the BISHOP OF ROME, in about 600 ? (can't remember) the church went back and gave that honorary title to ALL THE BISHOPS of ROME. This is history. There were 5 main areas of Christianity in the...

What do you think bible study is? How do you presume to know what I did if you don't ask? I really don't want to discuss this further. I've said many times that I've taught our faith to kids.... and their parents and others. This does not make me a bible scholar who is the only person that...

Very good observations. I'd say that Justification IS salvation. One is saved at that point. The rest that you're speaking of is sanctification and that IS a journey that make on our way TO GOD while we live on earth. Galatians 6:8 Philippians 3:13-14