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You put a lot of thought into this. I'll answer later if I have time....

I can't continue this JBF. I'm not able to go on and on. Jesus said you are MY FRIENDS....IF you do what I command you. John 15:14 You can probably turn that one around too. Just above you said love is in deed and truth. What deed? You're proving MY point...not yours. And you're doing what I...

This is a lot to go thru JBF...and I wonder why we're doing this at this point. I've gone through the dirty rags with you and they're still dirty. I'm going to dinner. I part friends with you.

Hi C, I don't believe @Grailhunter and I really disagree. I think we use different language. The one I really disagree with is the person that makes statements such as... the N.T. was ONLY for the Jews...or it was ONLY for the gentiles...or we just have to have faith, or our works are as dirty...

Oh my. Someone that respects the ECFs!! And yes,,,I also say they go to 325 AD... after that, everything changed. (for the worse).

It's turn around. I've taught this many times. One is on the road to satan when he is born. He changes his mind... he turns around and goes toward God. This will also cause a change of action. Both right! Today we use repentance to mean "sorry or sorrowful" but it's not really the correct meaning.

Great post. Let me just add that James is not written ONLY TO THE JEWS. WHO were the Jews anyway? They were the Jews who had accepted Christianity and were dispersed in different nations. Hence...it was still written to the Christians.

You know that you and I mostly agree... Sometimes it's language...sometimes its a small nuance. I agree with the above... I'll only add that repentance is instant...our direction changes the moment we decide for God... The EFFECT of that repentance could be immediate or could take years. No...

I see what you mean and of course you're right. Many times Jesus would heal someone and tell them to be quiet about it. He did teach the Apostles in private as we read, when for instance, he would explain a parable to them. I do believe Jesus might have taken advantage of these moments but I...

I agree. I'm not saying that Paul spoke incorrectly. In the New Covenant our righteousness is through Christ. In the O.T. it was earned individually by the person. What I'm saying is that Jesus never made a point of this and spoke mainly about how we are to behave and things we are to do. We...

But I've read them many times and they support what I said. I've told you what the secret is...there is no other secret. I've acknowledged not only what they say,,,,but said it before you even posted them! We need to stop discussing this.

Oh please scott. What are you going to post....verses I already know. You think I don't know we have to be IN HIM. But you DO NOT reply to what I've written. And want to play verse ping pong instead.

I must leave it since the bible was written for everyone. Jesus died for the jew and the gentile,,,the woman and the man,,, there is now no distinction. There is only One God and that God is the same for everyone. Paul was trying very hard to convince those under THE LAW that THE LAW no longer...

@charity is a very nice lady...and I know she lives for Christ. Read her posts and think what a new Christian gets out of it....

Are you aware that belief and obedience are synonymous? (in the Greek)

No. What I said is not being properly represented by you. I ACCEPT ALL OF THE BIBLE. I refuse no one. But this is an important discussion. JESUS never said that we would be righteous through HIM. This is something that came out later after Paul went off into the desert for 3 years. Jesus...

OK I'm not posting those pages referring to good deeds/works again. Just remember what James said: What good is it to say GOD BLESS YOU to the hungry if you don't also give them something to eat...or to keep warm. James 2:15-17 15If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily...

Of course we go to the word of God for explanations. Ephesians 3:9 speaks of the Gentiles being a part of God's salvation plan, as I stated. Colossians 1:26 Ditto. Paul is telling the Gentile in Greece that God is their only hope. Romans 1:25 I'm not sure why you posted this verse. God...

I know many that are saved but do not even read the bible. I can say though....that they seem to be humble persons living a life for God. (at least on the exterior)

NO Scott, IF Jesus says something,,,we listen to HIM first. Jesus NEVER said some things we believe because Paul said them... In all these cases we have to go by what Jesus taught.