Vs 7&8 tell us that the man whom God imputes righteousness without works is the man whose sins are forgiven. How does that happen today under the new covenant? Through baptism.
Consider Acts 10:43.
Also, in Acts 13:48, as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. And there is no mention of them ever being baptized.
It should be clear that we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:2).
You and many others are being purposefully deceitful..how can I come to any other conclusion.
Not trying to be deceitful. Just not overextending myself by going overboard in my use of scripture, trying to keep to what is relevant.
I don’t see the word alone. I also don’t see in your text where they “received Christ”.
The text in question being Romans 5:2...they gained access to a relationship to Christ through their faith in Him and what He did for them on the Cross of Calvary.
are people working miracles today? No.
I've actually seen real miracles happen today...so I would differ from you on that.
Would you mind if I tell others in my post that justbyfaith teaches that we are saved ONLY after we are baptized in water? Because that’s how I read this.
Don't go that far in relating my belief...though it is close to that. I believe that those who are baptized in Jesus' Name have that as a point of contact for their faith so that they can have absolute assurance of salvation through the action...but I also see that a person can receive the Holy Ghost simply by asking...Luke 11:9-13.
However, today, under grace, we are saved by God's grace, alone, through the shed blood of Jesus on the cross. The way into Heaven is through Jesus' blood on the cross. A child of God has been made a child of God not because of their works but because of Jesus' work on the cross.
The blood of Jesus does not only justify...it sanctifies also. Hebrews 10:29, Hebrews 13:12. Is it possible that, when applied, it can do one thing without also doing the other?
You mean Jesus couldn't just say what He meant?
He had to wait to die and then give His message to Paul?
Jesus said at one point that He had many things to say to the disciples but that they could not bear all of it at that time. So He would send the Holy Spirit to teach them and to guide them into all truth.
Lady GodsGrace, we are going to sin, but we are not dirty rags before God.
We are filthy rags before the Lord if we are trusting in our works to save us (Isaiah 64:6).
I guess what I'm really asking is:
Do you believe in eternal security?
Or is there a condition?
I would say that my answer to that depends on where you are in your walk.
If you are asking the question, "How far can I go in the way of walking towards sin, before I am outside of the grace of God?" then I would say that you are not eternally secure. On the other hand, if the question you are asking is, "How close can I get to Jesus Christ?" Then I would say that there is no danger of you falling away, absolutely zilch, none, as long as you have this attitude.
The answer is YES.
We are required to obey God AFTER we're saved.
We are not required; rather, it is our privilege to obey the Lord. "Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power." (Psalms 110:3)
I've posted so much scripture that is rejected.
How do you understand this:
John 3:36
If anyone really believes in Jesus, they will obey Him. Therefore, if they don't obey Him, they are walking in unbelief. And that unbelief is what condemns them (not their disobedience). Their disobedience is only the outward sign of an inward reality that is not good. Therefore, we are saved by grace, but will be judged by our works. Because our works reflect accurately what is truly going on on the inside of us. Again I say, Jesus told us to clean the inside of the cup and platter that the outside may also be clean.
JESUS never said that we would be righteous through HIM.
He at the very least implied it in John 15:1-8. "
Without me you can do nothing."
JESUS never said that we would be righteous through HIM. This is something that came out later after Paul went off into the desert for 3 years.
Not only did Jesus say it in John 15:1-8; but He also substantiated the writings of the apostles in John 14:26 and John 16:13. If that did not substantiate Paul's writings, it substantiated Peter's; and Peter substantiated Paul's writings in his own (2 Peter 3:15-16).
These days everyone seems to be against doing good works because of this concept of being righteous through Jesus.
I am certainly not against doing good works. You should do all the good works that you can, understanding that you are not saved by them; and that neither are you maintaining your salvation through them. Do them out of thankfulness to Christ over the fact that He has saved you, and that this is an eternal reality that cannot be trifled with.
However to carry this to the extreme that says we are not required to do anything because we already have our righteousness in Christ is wrong.
That we are not required to do anything does not mean that we will not do anything. The motivation in the heart of true Christians, towards
doing good works, is based on the fact that we are already saved and have fallen in love with the Lord. Because we love Him, we obey Him. It stems out of a relationship of love, not obligation.
Mathew 5:20
He said our righteousness must SURPASS that of the scribes...
NOT that HE would be our righteousness.
Matthew 5:20 is to be interpreted by Galatians 2:21 and Philippians 3:9.