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Could we say that God allowed satan's hand... rather than that God directed it? God directed it makes it sound like God advises the devil as to what actions he (the devil) should take. ??

Hi H, We should start a hobby thread or something. I used to sew...I mean really. I'd make jackets too, lined. One time when my daughter was about 4, I made the same dress for me and her. Also made pants and stuff for my son when he was little. It sued to be fun...now it's a pain. I put my...

Oh. But I don't fear the Lord. I feel love for what He did for me. I fear Him in the sense of deep respect. IOW, do we obey out of fear or out of love? It could be out of fear,,,the person is still saved... but they'd be missing a lot.

This is interesting. If we have responsibility...doesn't that mean we're free? If I have the responsibility to make dinner every evening... does this mean I MUST make dinner? Can't I decline?

Yes. Jesus spoke also of behavior which is found in beatitudes in Mathew 5:3-9 And, yes, of course what you mentioned above in Mathew 25. I do want to take this opportunity to say that whatever we do that is good after being saved...we do for God. Even if it's just being friendly to a...

You believe we cannot walk away? I'm not going to pursue this right now... But I DO believe we are free to abandon God whenever we want to. Not that we should want to...but it IS possible because the N.T. speaks to this.

I agree. But we need to be careful how it's said. Again, I can only repeat...WORKS DO NOT SAVE US. AFTER salvation...good works show our salvation.. if there are no good works...it's a good sign there's a problem. Anyway, we never discuss what these good works are...:(

@justbyfaith IOW, satan is always at the foundation of evil.... But what makes this be the cause of Jesus' death?

satan entered the heart of Judas. He was MEANT TO. This is like saying: John killed Mary.... but really satan killed Mary because he entered into John. Gosh. Should we release all prisoners that have murdered because satan did it?

I'm with @farouk on his post no. 3 Jesus willingly went to His death...He could have escaped it. He wanted the Father's will to be done. Mathew 26:39 Angels could have saved Him: Mathew 26:53 Usually it's asked if the Romans or the Jews killed Jesus. I've never heard it asked if satan killed...

It's really simple F. God Father gave to Jesus the saved persons for safe-keeping. What made them be saved..or "elected" or "chosen", which is what elected means.? They accepted God's terms. They believed in God/Jesus and thus had faith in God and for that faith they were saved. Freely. Only...

@farouk has given you a like.... but in your very next post you fix what you said above, which is not very clear. It's important when speaking about salvation issues to be VERY CLEAR in our speech. If the branch is not drawing nourishment, it is not producing fruit. The branches that do no...

Oh F, The branch produces fruit IF it's attached to the vine. Even YOU said this in your post. Read for yourself what happens to a branch that DOES NOT ABIDE in the vine. Sometimes the truth is hard to take, but Jesus IS TRUTH. We should heed His words since HE IS THE LIFE. Now let's go to...

Yeah F, I know what you mean! Let me try again... Wait. Why should I change my vote? I voted the right way the first time???

Agreed. Faith is required to be saved. No faith....No salvation.

I'm willing to take one at a time... John 15:1-6 is very clear indeed. Here's the whole scripture: 1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more...

You got it! Smart man.

My SKIN tolerance? What about my PAIN tolerance? I've been through a lot of pain and I don't like it. BTW, I tried to vote again and it didn't work. Anyway, isn't this ILLEGAL! lol

Now you're getting into eternal security...preservation of the saints....OSAS. I believe in conditional eternal security. IF we are IN CHRIST, we are saved. IF we are NOT IN CHRIST, we cannot be saved. The life is IN CHRIST...therefore we must be IN HIM for salvation. John 15:5-6

Good by me....