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Yes you are correct, Abraham was to to be the father of many nations. Many seeds. But he only gave the land promise to one seed. Which seed? The passage says, It Isaac shal your seed be (not Ishmael or the other sons) he did not give the land to anyone bu through Abraham Isaac and Jacob...

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I don’t either.. But I liked how you said we need to see what each other believes and why.. maybe could help us I used to be avid pre-trigger. Because of discussions like this. I question that belief now.. Not saying I do not believe it. Just that i question it.. so it can happen.. we can...

Then why are you unable to show this when god gave this promise to abraham first in gen 12 12 Now the Lord had said to Abram: “Get out of your country, From your family And from your father’s house, To a land that I will show you. 2 I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make...

He did not make it with mankind. he made it with Abraham. It’s not the same covenant. I will admit, this is the first time I have heard this. But this just pushes me further away..

I appreciate your replies also. But again, I think you have the wrong premise The abrahamic covenant is divided in many parts many nations will come through you. You will be father of many nations…Is one aspect, this is true Abraham had many children who became nations he will make him a...

This is not about the covenant of redemption This is about the covenant between God and one nation. As for the promises being fulfilled When I say I give you something forever. That promise can only be fulfilled when forever ends. Ad long as forever has not ended. That promise is still...

I would agree if Lev 26 did not say the opposite. Even Daniel understood it. When he prayed a prayer of repentance in dan 9 and used Gods promise to Remember the promise and the land Please show these words “if they obeyed or cut off when they did not”in Gen 12 15 and 17 when God made the...

once again. The bible says repent and believe. Once a person has done that they are saved. Jesus told Peter 70 X 7. Did Jesus lie? And say do what he will not do?

Sorry if I took over your thread.

For salvation, I would say God still loves them, and this love is a light that leads them to him. for someone who sins against us. i would say Peter was told to forgive his brother 70 X 7 times..

Sadly I know that feeling. I think sometimes we get surprised by what someone says. And do not know how to react. Or are taken aback. And our reaction causes a reaction from the other person. Then its like an atomic bomb, it just exponentially escalates to an all out war. I am guilty myself. Of...

I am hoping for a revival of some sort. In the us and the world.

Happy new year!

They forfeited USE of the land. Not the land itself. Once again, God said if they repented. He would remember his promise as I showed you in lev 26 Your placing a condition on it that was 1. Not given when he gave it to them 2. Refuted by Lev 26 when he said AFTER he removed them, If they...

I think that when we try to follow doctrines. We get stuck in thinking that they all believe the same things. I know many people who teach that dispensationalism causes a lot of contradictions. And I agree. Some groups who believe this do. Some say israel will return to being saved by the law...

I would hope we would set out views aside and just look to the word. I think the problem is we look at what we were taught. And can only see that.. I know I can have this issue. And did have it in a deep way most of my life. I could not look at anything else. Anyway, your right.. Again I will...

Read Genesis 12, 15 and 17 Its the same story. God made a promise. He fulfilled that promise by giving his people that gift 400 Years later He then gave them the law In the law (lev 26) he told them if they followed him and obeyed his commands they would live in peace. He would bless them...

The promise was to the fathers. And the promise was forever. He kept a remnant even after christ came and went (romans 11) because he keeps his promises. To me this is deeper than AD 70. Deeper than will there be a tribulation. Deeper than is there a rapture. And deeper than when Christ is or...

that is when they first possessed the land The promise does not stop because he said it would be their land forever. He said it was an everlasting possession He gave lev 26 as a warning if what would happen if they disobeyed. Up to and including their land taken their city and holy places...