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Good, and that hopefully means we are making progress. The problem though, is that the limit or context of Israel's responsibility in being a light unto the nations...was not limited by Jesus speaking the parable to them. On the contrary, the chastising he spoke to Israel included them and...

I see your logic, but I would say that your logic is only good to a point, because then you would have to include all such passages and say that Christ "is the vine, and you are the branches"...and the whole thing begins to loose its parable value. I say this, not because He did not mean it...

Maybe that's it...you're "translating." No, faith is "following", not translating with your own understanding in worldly terms. And there is also "hearing" what the spirit says...which obviously, you are not doing but only referring to part of what is written, and therefore have drawn the wrong...

Aah... What makes you think so?

Not sure which you are really intending to address, whether it be freewill or God's means of salvation. But the connection is certainly one to be considered. In the timeless reality of God, both, and quite literally all things, happened "before the foundation of the world." Thus, freewill is...

I would not speak against you having the understanding of a child, which is true. But your wicked attitude is not that of a child, and therefore the measure of grace afforded you, according to His word, will be equal. Nonetheless, the use of parable language by God should have taught you that...

I see your point, but the greater scope of God's plan of salvation was to and through Israel, but ultimately to all nations, according to His promise to Abraham. As for the timing...Jesus is the Word, the Beginning and the End. It is only the illusion of time that makes things appear to be...

You are kidding yourself. Anti-"spiritualizing" is anti-God. Pretty straight forward.

No...I would say that you have made a mountain out of a mole hill over semantics, while showing that the Love of Christ is not in you.

You contradict yourself. First you campaign against the spirit, condemning "spiritualizating" against God whom is spirit...and then you claim that He has spiritualized His laws in on your heart, implementing Jesus who came that those who will receive Him in spirit shall be saved, all the while...

"They" are Israel, the "vineyard" is the world, and "him" is Christ. In other words: Israel killed Christ who came to save the world.

By claiming that John gave you the idea that there are no prophets since John, you are calling John, God, Joel, Peter, and Paul lairs. Obviously, you are blinded to their complete word on the subject.

I am not interpreting. But again you have it backwards. Nothing is "spiritualized away", but what you call "literal" is not, and will be taken away, that the word of the Lord saying, "For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he...

Except that you have done so against God, using the term "spiritualize" as if God himself, whom is spirit, is bad. I told you, you had it backwards...and there it is - now you have said it.

No, not Israel, the vineyard was all nations. As this was the promise given to Abraham, that "all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him." Israel was the husbandman.

What gave you that idea?

It is not history that repeats itself, but men who repeat it. The Pharisees had the same comeback...and why should they have done any different? Jesus spoke like He alone had the truth, called God His Father, said their beloved temple was going to be destroyed, told people they had to be born...

If you want to believe that Jesus picked up bread and said it was His body - and it really, really was His actual/literal body, and He did not mean it symbolically. Good luck with that! But now I can no longer have an adult conversation with you.

And it is (a salvific role)...just not for the person doing it. He did not say that it is salvation. Likewise He did not say to literally eat His flesh. But it is the practice of water baptism that leads to salvation by demonstrating how salvation works. It is a service to God like the practice...

Necessary for the traditional ceremony or practice - but not for salvation, not for entering the kingdom. The use of water is indeed like the use of bread and wine...but the elements are nothing more than symbolic. The commandment is not that the ceremony is mandatory for salvation, but rather...