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E, I used 1 Thesalonians 4:16-17 to show that Jesus is coming back only one time...you're using it to show He's coming back twice. We can't both be right. Did you notice that most churches to not believe in the rapture? Churches base their beliefs on bible scholars with PhD's. Also, I rely...

I'm not sure... Didn't Jesus say that when that day comes, we should run to the hills and that it would be better for babies to die or something like that? I've tended to read past things of the future...I'm sorry I can't remember the verse. However, this would show that there will be no rapture.

I really dislike when posters only post a PART of another members post. What you posted does not represent our conversation. YOU said: Neither the Information IN Scripture or the Information pertaining to Science discovered by men.....is taught to be used for WICKEDNESS or EVIL. In this post...

Please show us where it states that Jesus comes TWO times. All we know is that He will return from where He left.. One time.

It's not ludicrous Enoch. Persons and entire populations have been going through tribulation all throughout history. In Africa some Christians have been getting their heads cut off for many years not. Nigeria. And some other countries too. Rwanda in the past. The following denominations do...

No. It's the exact opposite of what YOU believe. I even posted a link...I can't explain it better than that. The unfortunate one will be "raptured"...taken away (to his death). The lucky one will be left to finish his work in the field. The unfortunate one was taken away by a soldier to be...

1 Thessalonians 4.16-18 seems to be the clearest scripture of what will happen when Jesus returns. He will return one time at the end,,,not two times. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and...

But science today IS used for an evil purpose... It's used to disprove the exitence of God.

I don't think it'll bring us all together. We still have OSAS to deal with, and then....maybe. I went to a church that did not believe in the rapture, and I went to a church that did believe in the rapture. Now, I'm not claiming to know about eschatology, but I did do a little bit of studying...

I agree. But I also see His sacrifice as going down in OUR time and belonging to all men. When I go to a Catholic Mass I see that the sacrifice is brought to our TIME, as if we were standing at the foot of the cross. I find this very beautiful, I can't really explain it. Jesus did, however...

I agree about the star over Bethlehem. The wise men certainly were waiting for a sign from heaven and they followed the star that was unusual for its time. God told Abraham he would be the father of as many men as the stars... meaning MANY men...more than could be counted at that time.

I'd like to address Ephesians 1:11 I'm going to start a new thread "Are we predestined to be saved" But tomorrow...too busy today. Ephesians 1:11 is easily explained withing the context of all other scripture. We cannot take one verse out of context...to be continued...hope you'll join in. I...

The bible is not a science manual. Not much more to say...you can believe what you may; it has nothing to do with salvation so I'm not very bothered by what you wish to believe. I'd just like to remind everyone that the O.T. was written about 4,000 years ago. No telescopes back then.

You change your wording back and forth. I'm having a difficult time addressing your concept of free will. If God is holding a carrot in front of us, according to YOU...we do NOT have free will. We do not have FREE WILL as John Calvin explains free will. You do NOT believe in free will. You...

Scott, I think we're losing sight of what I had posted. Acts 17:11 says that we are to test everything to see if it is scriptural. Everything. I had also spoken about Romans 10:17, not sure if with you. We must believe only what the word of God says...otherwise we should also believe that Mary...

Where in the N.T. does the word Apostles appear? When they were alive, the 12 were known as Disciples. AFTER they died they became known as Apostles to distinguish them from other Disciples. I think I already said this. You don't have to accept it. Jesus sent the APOSTLES to make DISCIPLES of...

Sorry Dave. Your above analogy is not free will. Please stop using that term. Free will means it is not dictated by an outside force. YOUR scenario is COMPLETELY dictated by an outside force. Every move that goat makes is determinism. Determinism is not free will but the exact opposite. If...

I know what the tribulation is,,,I said I don't really agree with it. I've read about the rapture and some theologians don't agree with it and I do very much like what one said and which would agree with scripture but I won't get into it unless you care to. What I had meant for you to explain...

You explain this well. You did another time too, when I was still new here. I understand it like this: It's like a football game. God knows how He wants the game to end. But each player will be free to throw the ball as he wants to and it'll be up to another player to play well and get the...

I haven't followed very well, but what you're stating above is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit....attributing to satan what God has done. Can't look for the scripture right now...