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Why do you act as if those are separate events? That is ludicrous! You are clearly trying to make scripture say what you want it to say. 1 Thess 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word...

All of the translations agree that the time of the dead being judged comes at the seventh trumpet. How do you reconcile that with your doctrine? Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of...

Show me where it indicates that the 144,000 have immortal bodies before the return of Christ (the third coming of Christ in your view, I guess). Amils agree that He comes after the tribulation (Matt 24:29-31) and before His wrath comes down, so why are you calling his doctrine error when he...

This is your new favorite, meaningless saying. And it's wrong. I used scripture to back up my view. Scripture that you are unable to refute. Scripture that you apparently have missing in your Bible. You have joined the growing list of people who do not respect and do not accept Paul's teachings...

Always nothing but gibberish from you and then you act like you have proven something. You are the most delusional person on this entire forum.

Yet, you are completely incapable of presenting a coherent argument to refute it. Why should anyone take you seriously when you're just all talk and no substance? Your arguments are non-existent.

It says no such thing. Where are you seeing that? Show us.

Did you change your mind about this? I believe the resurrection of the dead in Christ referenced in 1 Thess 4:16 is the same resurrection as the one referenced in 1 Cor 15:52, as do a vast majority of Christians. I thought you disagreed about that and believed those were separate resurrections...

LOL. You are so dishonest. He did say how many resurrection events there are and he gave the order. Jesus was first. Next in order are "they that are Christ's at his coming.". So, there's two resurrection events, one of which was Christ's resurrection itself. The other is those who belong to...

LOL. This is all you have to say in response to everything I said? What a joke. I did address that passage. That's what my reference to John 4:19-24 Hebrews 10:1-12 was in response to. You had said this: You referenced Zechariah 14:16-19 here and I addressed this by showing how your...

Who knows if he will ever respond to you, but based on what he has said to me before, he would say that passage refers to the first resurrection of Rev 20:4. But, he would say that it's only the resurrection of martyrs and that their mortal bodies are resurrected. So, he thinks they will have...

Right. And that's it. Paul made no mention of any other resurrections there in 1 Cor 15:22-23 where he gave the order of resurrections. So, why do you add more resurrections to that when Paul himself did not do that? Do you not think that Paul knew what he was talking about?

The time for the marriage supper of the Lamb will have come at that point, but it will not have happened yet. That's why it says "his wife hath made herself ready". She will be ready for the marriage, which has not yet happened, at that point. And then John proceeds to describe the second coming...

Why? You're constantly making claims like this without really explaining why you're making them. I don't get that. Okay, one of the issues here is that you take the descriptions of the vials very literally, right? Despite the fact that we're talking about the most highly symbolic book in all of...

In your view it's not possible, but in mine it is. I honestly don't care that it's not possible in your view because I am not obligated to agree with your understanding of the 42 months, of the beast or of Revelation 20:4. That's your assumption because of your premil view, but I believe the...

Right. If Paul was ever going to refer to that imaginary time of tribulation (which he never did), then between the end of 1 Thess 4 and beginning of 1 Thess 5 was the perfect opportunity to do so. But, there's nothing about it there. Clearly, Paul did not believe in a pretrib rapture or else he...

Do you believe in soul sleep? Why are you not responding to what I said about who it is that Jesus will bring with Him when He comes, as alluded to in 1 Thessalonians 4:14? Who else could it be than the souls of the dead in Christ since no one will yet have an immortal body when He descends from...

No, it isn't. It's impossible. Believing that requires you to contradict much other scripture. Of course, you don't care about that because you only care about making scripture say whatever you want it to say, but it's true. Nonsense. How does that line up with these passages? John 4:19 The...

The new heavens and new earth are formed when Jesus comes and burns up and renews the current heavens and earth, resulting in the new heavens and new earth. 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by...

There is no scripture which would indicate that 1 Thess 4:14-17 is not fulfilled at the same time as 1 Cor 15:50-56. Paul made it clear that ALL of the dead in Christ will be resurrected at the same time when Christ returns (1 Cor 15:22-23). You order of resurrections does not match his that he...