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so when did you get saved (recieve the baptism of the spirit?)

I have not got here yet :p

Can you share bible verses? Illumination. When the light comes on is this what you mean? this would be the act of God drawing you to him, and the lights comming on so you understand what it means.. Again, can you share scripture. I have never heard of this before. Jesus said whoever believes...

2 spiritual births? this does not make sense to me. Did the spirit die twice?

yes. Why must we be born into that spirit. what is the status of our spirit that demands it be born again?

Can you show this from the bible? I do not think born of water is baptism. if it was, When Jesus told Nicodemus HOW to be born again, He would have told him to be baptized as part of the process. if possible. I would like to just let us discuss what we say. Not what a particular church says...

I see it as a dome, People outside can only look at it, but they can not see it. You can not see it unless you are let inside.. Once you are inside. not only can you now see it, but you are part of it. if we read the NT through we see this happen. the disciples kept not understanding the...

how do you interpret it?

did Jesus say this is what it means? what are you asking? It was nicodemus that asked this question. Not Jesus answer.

I am not jack. but I will answer since I have said this also. How would it fall over? Did Not Nicodemus ask this literal question to Jesus? should we take what he said symbolically?

the old adage do the same thing over and over expecting different results. It does not help you. Your questions have been answered multiple times.. If you do not wish to listen, thats on you. but keep saying people are not answering you. you will get yourself ignored.

Actually I gave my reason why I disagreed, and agreed to disagree, I did not say anything about you. do you understand what a discussion looks like? this is not what a discussion looks like.. this is just an attack.. or its my way or the highway. I am not doing this in this thread. I was...

Thank you for your response concerning regeneration, Our spirit is dead. It must be regenerated. Pauls calls it the washing and regeneration of the Holy Spirit. If you look in the greek the word literally means to be reborn, born again, new birth, resurrection from the dead. Using Jesus words...

Amen to even think this is to ignore the culture and how two children are brought together

Another one who thinks he is Gods gift. good day sir.. this is a place for discussion. Not. place to atack people who disagree wiht you.

Again, Born from above does not fit.. Nicodemus would not ask if he needed to return to his mothers womb to be born from above. As for the time and why, we will just have to disagree. If nicodemus was seen visiting Jesus he would have been mocked and outcast from the rest of the sanhedrin

He would not ask if he had to go back into his mothers womb if he though Jesus meant to say born from above, thats an insult to nicodemus

Thank you sister

If nicodemus thought Jesus said born from above, he would not have answered the way he did. He responded by asking how one can be born again while born from above is a possible defenition, it is not the only one.

I believe to be born of water is the physical aspec of our birth. Nicodemus was looking for a physical kingdom. Jesus was differentiating the physical from the spiritual