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  1. GodsGrace

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    God is sovereign, as all Christians believe. He can do whatever He wants to do. One day He'll decide to end the earth forever. This does not make Him a mean God because He has declared this just as He declared that He desires obedience from humans and it's WE who did not believe or trust or...
  2. GodsGrace

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    But you sometimes speak like one. This is why I was so confused with your beliefs when I first came on to this forum. I could hardly reply to you because I couldn't understand your position. Now I understand it better, I think. John 6:37 37“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and...
  3. GodsGrace

    BABYLON SCAMYLON

    The son and brother are no longer what THBE makes them out to be. So your question is moot.
  4. GodsGrace

    BABYLON SCAMYLON

    Gee thanks. I do appreciate your warning. In the meantime, here's one for you: John 13:35
  5. GodsGrace

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    OK. Your second paragraph is correct. Predestination is speaking of HOW one is saved. It speaks to exactly what you've quoted...that we are made holy and/or being conformed into the image of Jesus. THIS is what was predestined,,,NOT WHO is predestined...which is what CALVINISTS believe. We...
  6. GodsGrace

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    That's an interesting idea. Actually when the bible speaks of the elected, it's speaking to the Hebrews, Israelites, Jews, who were elected by God to be His chosen people through whom He would make Himself manifest. Romans chapters 9 to 11 speaks to this, but some have taken it to mean...
  7. GodsGrace

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    Here we go again. You post conflicting thoughts. Biblical history starts with Abraham, first of all. Some kind of flood did happen. People of those times attributed everything to the God that had revealed Himself to them. As to the flood...if God is sovereign and knows all things, did He not...
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    BABYLON SCAMYLON

    Hmmmm. Yes, this could be one of your problems. You take everything so literally. If something SEEMS true to me, then to me it IS true. You play games when games should not be played. @TheHolyBookEnds
  9. GodsGrace

    BABYLON SCAMYLON

    Well, actually, even in secular society some laws have become obsolete. Try to remember the rules which governed the horse and buggy days. Do you still carry around a sack for you know what? I don't think so. Yes. Some rulings NO LONGER APPLY. Not only are divorced couples invited into...
  10. GodsGrace

    BABYLON SCAMYLON

    What's there to know? I study with a Jesuit once a month. They seem to me to be alive and living. The Catholic church did some pretty horrendous deeds. Maybe it's time to move on? They don't seem to be doing them anymore.... And it's been a long time now.
  11. GodsGrace

    BABYLON SCAMYLON

    Excuse me THBE The CCC was written up between 1986 and 1992 and overseen by Ratzinger, the retired Pope. It was signed and released as OFFICIAL CHURCH TEACHINGS in 1992 by Pope John Paul II. Please modern up.
  12. GodsGrace

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    No Stranger. Let's please get this straight. I'm trying to explain to you what CALVINISTS think... NOT WHAT I THINK. God does NOT choose who will be saved and who will be lost. God makes Himself known to ALL. Then we, as individuals, decide whether or not we want to be saved. Calvinists are...
  13. GodsGrace

    BABYLON SCAMYLON

    You'll have to cut that down to two sentences. Thanks.
  14. GodsGrace

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    So we agree? If you don't agree with Limited Atonement, you can't agree with anything else Calvin taught. Those who go to hell go of their own decision. RIGHT! So it is NOT God sending them there because He so decreed it in His predestinating EVERYTHING that happens, as Calvinists believe. So...
  15. GodsGrace

    BABYLON SCAMYLON

    Yeah sure. I'm certain we're all going to sit here at our computers and read all you've posted.... Just one question... So are the Jesuits still around? What was the whole point of your 4 page diatribe?
  16. GodsGrace

    BABYLON SCAMYLON

    You use really antiquated documents. How about using the CCC like you're supposed to? Are all Protestants Calvinists? Why not?
  17. GodsGrace

    BABYLON SCAMYLON

    Of course I have the right. Just as much as he does. Why would anyone agree to his posts and not to mine? I happen to know Catholic doctrine; I've taught it and I know the CCC. It's 2018, not 1818 or even 1918. Did you know that before 1918 divorced couples were not allowed into a catholic...
  18. GodsGrace

    BABYLON SCAMYLON

    Couldn't agree more with your last paragraph. The first forum I ever joined was catholic because it came up somehow and I didn't know anything. But it was OK. I'd get scolded because I was anti-catholic (LOL) but we're all Christian. Amen. Jesus meant for us to be united...and some think we...
  19. GodsGrace

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    I think this is the post... No, I'm not angry. I was trying to get you to admit to one or the other. HOW could it be both? Is God Father deciding who to draw to Christ? Or is He drawing everyone to Christ and then the person decides? If you answer yes to the first question, then you are...
  20. GodsGrace

    Who Does The Father Draw?

    I'm sorry if I missed a post of yours. I'm not on here long enough and this happens to me at times. I see on these threads much hate speech toward Catholicism and it's a faith that believes in a loving and merciful God. Why do we not dislike a faith that believes in a monster of a god that...