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  1. Wrangler

    Gnosticism

    You can say knowledge is important all day long; it is not a requirement for salvation or the purpose of Christianity. Knowledge is secondary. This is the lesson of Original Sin. The lesson of Original Sin is that trust and obedience to God is primary. This is how we demonstrate what we know...
  2. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    All I need to see is Scripture, not trinitarians demanding verses say what they want. Just show the verse that plainly says Jesus is God. Just show the verse that plainly says Jesus raised himself from the dead. You want find it because it's not true. Jesus is not God and did not raise himself...
  3. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    Rev 1:1 God, in his unitarian nature, gave Jesus the revelation.
  4. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    There is no trinity in the Bible; there is only God - who we relate to as Father. God is spirit and he is holy. These are attributes of God, not a different person. Proof is God's spirit has no personal name. There is not one verse in Scripture that claims Jesus raised himself from the dead...
  5. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    Proof text that Jesus is NOT God. If he were God, you would not be talking about forms. By contrast Jesus said he has a God who is the only true God. For some reason, this is not good enough for you.
  6. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    I don’t have animosity toward JW’s. Half of his family are active members, including his parents and one set of grandparents. The difference between us is that you are trying to defend the JW and I am not. You seem eager to find some mitigating fact that may be found ‘on the other side’ of the...
  7. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Doesn’t sound like a Spirit led, grace filled organization.
  8. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    A trinitarian tactic is to always be on offense. They only acknowledge evidence in favor and cannot entertain evidence against. They tend to just ignore questions that reveal weakness in their doctrine. That their desperation is increasing is shown in the fact that they make increasingly...
  9. Wrangler

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Just because John wrote more poetically and emotionally does not mean it is also not the most anti-trinitarian book of the Bible. Jesus and Hohn were both monotheist Jews and there is no evidence they ever stopped being Jewish. John does NOT start off with Jesus' deity. We know this because he...
  10. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    There is only one true God and it is not Jesus. The personal name of the one true God is YHWH. Ex 3:15. This is the name Jesus says is the hallowed name. Matthew 6:9 Scripture is explicit, 'For us, there is one God, the Father.' 1 COR 8:6. Scripture is explicit that Jesus is the Son of God...
  11. Wrangler

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Untrue. The Gospel of John is the most anti-trinitarian book of the whole Bible. In it Jesus said he has a God - who we relate to as father - who is the only true God. This is good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for you?
  12. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    You are getting lost in the details - that I do not even have nor do they change the essential facts. Funny that I admitted that I do not have a comprehensive report to give yet you keep asking me comprehensive questions. :rolleyes: No. I am glad you recall the story of the 10 yo with the...
  13. Wrangler

    Gnosticism

    The verse is not stating knowledge is a requirement for salvation. What are you saying knowledge is a requirement for?
  14. Wrangler

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    The opposite is true. A Biblical fact that is little advertised by trinitarians is that Jesus explicitly stated he has a God himself (John 20:17, Mark 15:33) who is the only true God (John 17:3). What does this mean for other gods, like the trinitarian god? The most anti-trinitarian book in the...
  15. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    ME: No, you did not post proof. Just a typical trinitarian tactic of posting many verses having nothing to do with the subject, hoping something sticks to the wall. Just post one verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are...
  16. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    I don't need 500 'plain and clear' passages that are not saying at all what you claim. Such posts make me wonder if you see 'support' for the trinity in cloud formations and cereal shapes? Please just refer to 1 verse that says something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the...
  17. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    Also, have you noticed the passion for the trinity is the man-is-god thesis? They make ridiculous, intellectually dishonest claims, like this thread's OP - that Jesus is YHWH - with no explicit Scriptural evidence. All the verses they rely on are ambiguous where they insist their interpretation...
  18. Wrangler

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    Premise 2 is untrue. Therefore, your conclusion is untrue. Jesus' title is Anointed. He is Anointed by God. He is not the Anointer, not the Creator but a created Being. This is what it means to be a son, to be a created being. This is why Scripture explicitly says Jesus is the firstborn of all...
  19. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    Scripture is explicit that Jesus is not God as it says, 'For us, there is only one God, the Father,' which agrees with Jesus saying he has a God - who we relate to as our father - who is the only true God. That is good enough for me. Why is that good enough for you? Not really answering my...
  20. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    Evidently, that point is scrutiny of the inherently contradictory, pagan notion of 3-is-1-ism.