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  1. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    My post quoting a previous post. Gotcha! I was only referring to what I posted in post 50. I was not referring to pre-post 50 posts. What I am referring to now as before was how you criticize me for not keeping up with the conversation but it seems ti be OK when you refer to a post beyond the...
  2. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Not in the post in question. I thought you gave me grief for not following the conversation? I guess that does not apply to you. Again, I understand the HS has convicted you. True but irrelevant to the point of the post.
  3. Wrangler

    Why can we dis Jesus but not the Holy Ghost?

    Profound. Isn't it also true that all the miracles the prophets performed, like Moses parting the Red Sea, were done by the HS of God?
  4. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    It's amazing that you can make a word substitution to support your doctrine but cannot make a Father to God substitution to undermine your doctrine. 1 John 1:3 And we share in it with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. 1 COR 8:6: For us, there is one God, the Father.
  5. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Funny since I did not even mention translators in my post. I guess you are convicted by the HS that trinitarian translators have altered God's Word to try to get it to support the trinity when the unitarian text cannot support the trinity. I recall asking you a question about a verse. The...
  6. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Nowhere in John 1:14 does it say YHWH became man. Compare to the explicit Ps 83:18. NOG: so that they must acknowledge you. Your name is Yahweh. You alone are Elyon of the whole earth. NLT: Then they will learn that you alone are called the LORD, that you alone are the Most High, supreme over...
  7. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    The site made a wise choice to relegate us to the unorthodox forum. This is far better than other sites and some posters here who assert you cannot be a 'real' Christian unless you believe the man-is-god thesis. Your observation shows there are plenty of self-identified Christians who...
  8. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    The same with John 12:49. Not much of a God who was sent, submits to the will of another person, only says what he’s told and even HOW to say it. As you point out, if Jesus were the all powerful Creator, it is odd that he cannot even chose who sits next to him. And he admits he is less than and...
  9. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    EXACTLY! And what the verse says is Jesus is NOT God. Everything was created FOR and THROUGH but not BY Jesus. So simple, even a trinitarian can understand it.
  10. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    I see you cannot simply answer a simple yes or no question. :oops:
  11. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    It is more complicated than saying the simple truth that he is unequal. You are not buying it because you’re indoctrinated into a complicated lie over the simple truth. And the inequality is more than rank. As I said, death, knowledge will, what to say and how to say it are all unequal...
  12. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Angels are from above. Doesn’t make them God either.
  13. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    No sir! John 1:1-4 is talking about God not Jesus who is not introduced until v14.
  14. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Really? The entire purpose of Christ's ministry, to re-create, to make man born again of Spirit not flesh, you do not see at all? Wow! Or do you merely mean that you do not see it in Col 1:16?
  15. Wrangler

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Thanks for starting this thread. :) I've been tempted to compile a list of refutations of common trinitarian appeals. John 1:1, the Oneness doctrine and Col 1:16 rank at the top of legs they often use support their man-made dogma. Here is where biased trinitarian translators seek to modify...
  16. Wrangler

    "Think " Tank

    Friend, I asked the same question without seeing yours yet. If she responded to me the way she replied to you, I would like to think I'd reflect more grace. In a lot of threads I reply with Bless Your Heart. I say that to you more than most. Like Nancy, I'll leave this jungle.
  17. Wrangler

    "Think " Tank

    Great question. What would you accept as authentication? For instance, the Bible records God talking to prophets through out. Or do you require the Almighty to come to you in a voice from heaven and state to you that the collection of books is his word and nothing short of that will be...
  18. Wrangler

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Agreed. Even the demons know Jesus is not God. The demons identified Jesus as the son of the most high. They did not identify him AS the most high incarnate. To use trinitarian logic regarding worship, Jesus did not rebuke the demons for failing to identify has as god so that proves Jesus is...
  19. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    I'm not attempting to but came right out and said. it. You keep repeating the statement that Jesus is unequal to God but say it in a more complicated way.
  20. Wrangler

    Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

    Then you are not talking about our lord and savior Jesus Christ, who Scripture repeatedly says is a man. For no apparent reason, you are merely asserting equality, pretending Jesus limited his inferiority to God to Jesus' human nature when he made no such qualifying statement. Jesus never...