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  1. BreadOfLife

    Communion - Lord's Supper - Eucharist

    This MIGHT be the most asinine thing you've ever posted here - but I'm probably wrong about that . . .
  2. BreadOfLife

    Communion - Lord's Supper - Eucharist

    The text above in RED from Paul's 1st Letter to the Corinthians seems a bit harsh for something that is merely a "symbol" - don't you think? The plain fact of the matter is that the Real Presence is something that was taught and believed in from the very beginning of the Church. ALL of the...
  3. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    No - tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different doctrines while claiming they were ALL led by the Holy Spirit is not "silly". It's tragic and it's an abomination before God. Not only does this have NOTHING to do with what we were...
  4. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    I have Him more substantively than YOU do because I have Him spiritually AND physically in the Eucharist. Jesus DIED on the cross. He didn't get buried and rise from the dead until AFTER He was taken down from the cross. NONSENSE. Epignosis has a literal meaning and is used TWELVE times in...
  5. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    WRONG. First of all - Eph. 2:8-9 says absolutely NOTHING about confessing your sins. Anyway - confessing is cooperating with God's grace of faith. Correct. His Sheep mus DO - not just sit back and "believe" . . . WHERE does Mark 16:16 or John 3:5 state this?? Can you show me?? John 3:5 is...
  6. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    This verse doesn't say a THING about confessing so I'm not sure what you're talking about. However, you are cherry-picking again because you take ONE verse and absolutize it to cover EVERYTHING. Jesus didn't do that. Jesus said that SEVERAL things were necessary for salvation - not the LEAST...
  7. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    Confessing is cooperating with God's grace. ALL along, I have been saying that our COOPERATION is necessary for salvation - while all of YOU have been saying that we are saved WITHOUT our cooperation. Good to see that you're changing your tune to the Biblical view . . . WRONG. EVERYBODY has...
  8. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    "Confessing" is cooperating with God's redemptive grace. Yes, Jesus died for the WHOLE world, which means that He PAID for the WHOLE world - so EVERYBODY is redeemed (paid for). Not sure why you are saying "No" . . . NOT Biblical?? Tell that to God who breathed the following passages of...
  9. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    Hmmmmmm, another ignorant claim. What a surprise, coming from YOU . . . The Church's position doesn't "change" from Pope to Pope. Uh huh. And is the Holy Spirit the one who taught tens of thousands of different men to teach tens of thousands of different and polar opposite doctrines that...
  10. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    And is seems that you believe in Calvin's man-made farce of "Limited Atonement" - the anti-Biblical idea that Jesus only dies for a select few. Either that - or you are conflating Redemption with Salvation. The fact is that EVERYBODY was redeemed (paid for) at Calvary. Hitler, Manson, Dahmer...
  11. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    First of all - you're NOT forgiven at the cross. You are forgiven when you repent and are baptized (Acts 2:39). We are REDEEMED (paid for) at the cross. As for Romans 8 - the FIRST verse starts out with the following: Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, ...
  12. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    First of all - I haven't labelled anybody as a "hater". Secondly - as I have told you before - these are not MY words, but the position of Christ's Church. I'm just an obedient servant. - and I'll take the Church's position over YOURS any day of the week. Jesus told the leaders of His Church...
  13. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    And this is complete hogwash. Our works PRIOR to coming to faith are like dirty rags to God. Our obedient works, however - are a DELIGHT to God (Exod 19:5, 1 Sam. 15:22, Isaisah 1:19). You see, son - cherry-picking Isaiah 64:6 to show that our deeds are worthless doesn't stand up to the whole...
  14. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    The cherry-picking YOU and others here do is simply an act of desperation. Anybody can cherry-pick verses to create ANY doctrine they want. For example - Psalm 14:1 can be cherry-picked to formulated a doctrine that God doesn't exist because it says, "There is no God." HOWEVER - if you read...
  15. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    And the point here is that His love for us NEVER stops - whether WE abandon Him or not. It doesn't mean, however, that we will be saved. God's justice is part of His love. So, instead of explaining how it is "figurative" - you'll just run the other way again? That's what I thought . . . And...
  16. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    It's NOT a "diversion" - it's the truth. You and Taken cherry-pick Scripture to support your aberrant theology and you HATE it when I point that out to you. As for your last comment - you already TRIED to dissect the verses I gave you about rejecting Christ and you couldn't get past "Epignosis"...
  17. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    Correct. Cooperating, following, continuing, pursuing. These are ALL works. This verse says NOTHING, however of what happens when you STOP cooperating, following, continuing, pursuing, etc. It shows the process we MUST continue in to be saved. (Mat 24:3) And as he sat on the Mount of...
  18. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    And I stand by the Word of GOD, which shows that salvation is conditional. God's love is not.
  19. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    WRONG. This is talking about BOTH Salvation AND Rewards. Again - it is about CONDITIONS of salvation and rewards. Anything that has conditions is a process.
  20. BreadOfLife

    Rebirth - Salvation and Conversion

    No - these verses show that the person must COOPERATE or lose out. They show that salvation is conditional - and anything that has conditions is a process.